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Climate skepticism is just being born in Brazil

Luis Dias from Brazil's former European headquarters kindly translates the essence of the video in the comments

Rio de Janeiro has witnessed another preposterous environmentalist summit a few days ago. The only tangible outcome of Rio+20 was that Jesus Christ was forced to join the Green Party: click the picture for a BBC story. It was quite a good selection of the place because when it comes to the climate panic, Brazil is one of the most brainwashed countries in the world although the hysterics are doing very "well" in India, China, and France as well.

There is no clear proportionality between the ignorance, poverty, and the influence of the pseudoscientific doctrine on global warming. However, it shouldn't be hard for you to imagine "communication-challenged nations" that honestly depend on the inflow of U.N.-filtered and U.N.-fabricated news and that haven't even heard some basic facts about the climate and its natural change, that haven't even heard the statement that this whole panic is a pile of junk. I am pretty sure that this is true for most of the natives of Micronesia who are being constantly told that their islands will sink because of the Czech power plant's CO2 emissions.

But this description of Brazil may be changing.

Chris Mooney has just told us that he has one more reason to panic:

Climate Denial Hits Brazil (Think Progress, Climate; DeSmogBlog Demagog)
What he sees as the major turning point in the brainwashing of the people in Brazil is the following 30-minute May 2012 interview of comedian Jo Soares (the old guy) with Prof Ricardo Augusto Felicio – the show resembles the Letterman show or Kraus' show in Czechia:

680,000 views (and rising) isn't bad for a video in Portuguese. The number suggests that a clear condensation core of the Brazilian climate realism is firmly in place.

He primarily studies the Antarctic climate. Incidentally, the melting rate of the Antarctic shelves was recently zero, thus proving that virtually all existing climate models describe the continent (and probably the remaining continents as well) inadequately.

Incidentally, Felicio has previously prepared the Portuguese translation of the Skeptical Handbook by a namesake of the TV host ;-), Jo Nova.

I've said it many times but we should care about the developing countries because the lack of adequate information about the climate is much worse over there – and these countries are really those that would suffer maximally if some global policies aiming to regulate CO2 were imposed. These countries are full of people who genuinely want or need to know some facts about the climate, as opposed to the shameless lies presented by the climate alarmists, but they're just not getting anything. Due to the lower penetration of these countries by the Internet and other media, those people may be kept and are kept in blissful ignorance about the basic numbers.

At any rate, you may want to read Mooney's rant to conclude that he is seriously worried; some people dared to watch the interview and Felicio is even allowed to teach some students at the University of São Paulo. Imagine the blasphemy! ;-)

Meanwhile, when it comes to the superficial criteria, I am convinced that the climate realists have a good public face in Brazil although I can't verify all Felicio's statements. That's because I don't speak Portuguese too well; so far, I have only authored one book in that language. ;-)

When one talk about Latin America and global warming, Shakira is planning to release a "global warming" album later this year, holy crap. A song she recorded with a rapper has been leaked.

I started with one "green" sculpture that's been modified; here's another one. Maybe the Americans will improve their famous statue, too. "Warming of the planet": via Angharad. ;-)

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reader Rod said...

Typo in the paragraph before the final one:

"São Paulo" instead of "Sao Paolo"

Though there are plenty of Italians in SP, the city was a Portuguese colony, not an Italian one.

reader Luis Dias said...

I'm portuguese. I'll listen to it and if there's any novel thing, I'll relay it to you ;)

reader Luis Dias said...

So he starts off by stating that this hypothesis (that Jô defines as the idea that the ice sheets will rise the ocean level and so on) is about 3000 years old, since the times when the greeks also thought their activities would destroy their ecossystem, etc.

He talks about the knowledge of the artic ocean coming back to the second world war and the cold war.

He denies the ocean level is rising. He informs that the El Nino gives the oceans fluctuations of 50 cm, while the IPCC's worst scenario is about the same level in a hundred years.

Jô recalls a measure by captain Cook, from 1780 prof Felicio adds. Prof Felicio thriumphantly adds that it's at the same level today as it were 230 years ago.

He then denies there's any greenhouse effect. He attributes the difference between Earth's temperature and Venus' to the thermodynamic laws (pressure, etc), not because CO2. He says "This [CO2] physics does not exist". (I wouldn't quite agree with it).

Then he goes on to deny the Ozone layer issue. Everyone is having a ball right now. He goes on to expose the alternative to the CFCs as an extremely expensive chemical because of the patents. Now that the patents of the alternatives (HCFCs) are closing to their end, he informs the audience that they are now figuring out that these alternatives are also hurting the ozone layer and further increasing global warming. (4x more expensive, not working with old equipment).

QA from the audience.
1. Bald guy speaks about a local phenomena of a warming having taken place. Prof talks about the truthfulness of local climate changes.
2. Jô questions about deforestation influencing global climate. Dismissed.
Then they talk about Amazon. He mentions that what matters in the climate are "oceans". The rainforests exist, he says, because it rains there, not the other way round (it rains there because the forests exist).

3. Young man asks what is Rio20 all about then? Prof answers it has something to do with neo-colonialism. 500 years ago portuguese arrived telling brazilian people they had to have "mirrors"? (didn't get this part, probably a cultural thing) to survive. Exactly 500 years afterwards, there's this Rio thing (Well, off by 8 years but still). 1988 IPCC forms. 1989 Berlin wall falls. Scientists working for the Cold War, what will they work on? Computer scenario scientists that worked in the cold war now began working on these "world problems".

4. Baterist asks about shores receding. Felicio answers that these things are normal, it's a natural process.

5. Prof Carlo Augusto makes a provocation and a wako theory about tsunamis.

Prof Felicio goes on on a tangent about the sun, and about how we are arriving at a more calm period on the sun and how that means the temps are not going to rise. He mentions the planet has been cooling since 1998.

Ends talking about volcanoes and their cooling effects, and then teaches a bit about El Ninos.

All very basic and general stuff. Quite disalarming, both what he said and the tone of the conversation, in a "there's nothing wrong, just some dudes that want your money, watch it out".

reader Luboš Motl said...

Thanks, fixed. I was thinking Paolo had to be right because it sounds stranger. Paulo is of course closer both to English and Czech while Paolo is how the Italian folks are called, greetings e.g. to Creminelli. ;-)

reader Luboš Motl said...

Excellent, thanks so much! Except for the comments about the greenhouse effect that I would almost certainly disapprove of, it seemed like an interesting chat with new info even for many of us...

reader Jason said...

Thank you for summarizing, Luis Dias.

reader campistanonimo said...

Lubos, you have a very wrong idea about the situation in Brazil. It's not that our people (I'm brazilian) do not have conditions to understand those process or we receive only manipulated info from UN. The biggest and most influential TV here, rede Globo, that host the Jô Soares show, is very open about each side, almost everytime they talk about this global warming stuff they give space to the opposite side.

The ones that manipulate infos here are the companies and some parts of the government. Companies now use the "green" thing to sell almost anything.

The problem is that Brazil is a country with a lot of forests, rivers, and all that natural stuff. Europe almost don't have any forest now, but we do, and plus we have today a really bad situations with this natural resources. All the people see it, one place where before there was a nice river, today it's basically a garbage flow, and that impacts peoples lives. The feeling is that we need to act to make our world a better place, the global warming stuff is secondary in peoples' opinions.

That's why I think it's very dangerous to opposite the global warming stuff, we need to take care to not fight against the enviromental stuff that is legit and pretty obvious and is of course bigger than the global warming thing alone.

Prof Felicio did a really bad thing in my opinion some part in the interview when he - when arguing about the global warming thing - let people understand that it's ok to give an end to the amazon. It's bad because a lot of people suffer from deseases, change (and end) of water fonts, local climate change, etc, every day and it's very real to them. It can not change the global situations, but it surely impacts local people lifes.


@Luis Dias, the mirror part is because the portugueses in the colonization process gave to the native people mirrors and other futile stuff that they didn't really needed as "payment" for their hard work, in a practical slavery situation. He tries to link it to todays, where we need to pay a lot of our money (so, our work) to big international companies just because they make us believe that what we have today is hurting the enviroment.

reader Tiago Trojahn said...

Explaining the "mirror"...

When Europeans arrived in Brazil, brought with them a few mirrors, which fascinated the Indians who lived there.

When the Europeans (especially Portugal) found that there was gold in Brazil, they convinced that the Indians needed the mirrors, changing each for lots of gold...

And the 500 thing... He was refering to the America discovery by Colombo in 1492... 1492 + 500 = 1992, the first RIO conference.