## Thursday, February 13, 2014 ... /////

### Mammograms don't detectably save lives

I would recommend to scrap the policy of regular, semi-mandatory mammography screening

Overscreening, overdiagnosing, and overtreatment are three of the chronic diseases of the modern healthcare systems. The New York Times brought to our focus the results of an extensive, 25-year-long survey involving 90,000 Canadian women whose results just appeared in the British Medical Journal.

The results seem to clearly show that the use of mammograms doesn't reduce the breast cancer death rate. It is not the first study with a similar outcome – see e.g. this mammogram study one year ago – but it's arguably the most extensive, empirically rooted one.

The numbers seem to speak a clear language. Those 90,000 women between 40 and 59 years of age were randomly divided to two groups of 45,000 women each. The first group received breast exams and mammograms; the second group only received breast exams.

During the quarter of a century, 3,250 women in the "with mammogram" group were diagnosed with breast cancer; the number was reduced to 3,133 women in the "without mammogram" group. The difference, 117, is almost exactly 2 standard deviations (two times the square root of 3,250) so one could say that with the mammograms, the detection rate is marginally higher – so that the difference may still be due to noise.

But what really matters is that 500 women (about 1%) died of breast cancer in the "with mammogram" group; the number of casualties in the "without mammograms" group is 505. Here, the standard deviation is the square root of 500 or so, or 22, and the difference is just 1/4 of a standard deviation. It is a pure noise, a statistical tie. The policy of random screening by mammograms hasn't detectably reduced the breast cancer death rate.

The paper mentions that this failure comes despite the fact that more women are dragged through the hassle of the cancer treatment – including surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation. The mammogram itself uses low-energy X-rays, too. It may be useful to know that mammography has a high, about 10% false negative rate (undetected cancer). The paper's data also imply some over-diagnosis (it's something else than a false positive; over-diagnosis counts cases of detected and real cancer but one that is "weak enough" and that would remain harmless enough for the rest of the life).

Now, there may be a signal. A more accurate measurement or survey could show that mammograms reduce the number of women by a small fraction of a percent. But even if it were the case, is an arbitrarily low reduction of the death rate a good justification for an expensive policy? I don't think so. The society is often held hostage to emotions and precautionary principle so that it becomes almost if not entirely politically incorrect to point out that someone (or a technology like mammogram) who is supposed to help isn't actually helping anything.

Some numbers.

In the U.S., about 2.6 million people die every year. That includes about 1.3 million women. Out of them, 40,000 women see breast cancer as the cause of the death. That's about 3% of the women who die. The comparison of the numbers 505 and 500 above suggests that the mammography screening is unlikely to reduce the breast cancer death rate by much more than 1% relatively – I mean 1% from 3%. Even if you ignore the probable fact that the difference between 500 and 505 was just noise, mammograms are saving at most 400 women a year or so; it is 3 parts per million from the set of the women who die on the same year.

You may translate this figure to an expected increase of the life expectancy. That quantity is likely to increase by something comparable to 3 parts per million of its current value which is 80 years for women, too. If you multiply "3 parts per million" by "80 years", you will get something like "2 hours".

Even if you assumed that the observed difference in the death rates between the "with mammogram" and "without mammogram" group were due to a signal, the signal is so weak that an average woman prolongs her life by something like 2 hours only. It's less than what she spends with the mammography screenings in her life. It's actually much less because a majority of women are getting a mammogram every year. Let me articulate this point once again:

By undergoing mammography screening, you may (statistically speaking) only prolong your life by a (much) shorter time than the time you spend with the mammography screening (plus waiting for the results in the hospital).
Is that a good investment of time then? And of course, it is not just time. A single mammogram costs something like $100 – that's what the uninsured women typically pay. If you get a mammogram annually for 30 years, it costs$3,000 per lifetime. Would you pay $3,000 for 2 hours of extra life that you would be obliged to spend in the hospital with annoying diagnostic devices (and possibly with much more annoying treatment)? My answer would be a clear No. Just try to think how wonderfully you may improve your life for$3,000. And by the way, even if you added 2 hours for $3,000, the cost of your 80-year-long life would then be$1 billion. Try to inform your life insurance company.

Incidentally, the paper clarifies many subtle differences between various foggy claims that are being made. The refinements sometimes sound like black humor. For example, it is sometimes being said that women with breast cancer who undergo mammography live longer. It is true, in a sense, the paper confirms. However, what it means is that they live longer with cancer – more precisely, they live longer while knowing that they have cancer simply because they learn about it earlier. So their total lifetime is the same; just a higher fraction of their life is burdened by the disturbing knowledge.

I feel that the modern society is literally flooded with similar policies that were justified by pure emotions or the mindless precautionary principle. But if you think about them rationally, they are not bringing anything good to us. Mammograms look scientific but the assumption that their scientific basis automatically implies that they make a difference is believed as mindlessly as the belief in shamans in less advanced societies. Mammograms are just a tip of the Seiberg. Similar policies make people feel more anxious and add psychological problems in general, they are wasting their time, they cost something like $100 per mammogram - lots of money, they (I mean antibiotics that are overused) are making the bacteria more resistant and more dangerous in the future, and they bring virtually no improvement in the survival rate etc. It seems to me that people think that "it must be possible to do something about the diseases" and "it's their duty to do so" and "it's the duty of others to morally support them in these policies". But it's a fact that even if you try hard and even if you use all the currently available technological know-how, you won't really reduce your risk of death to zero (or close to zero). Most of the people who were born are going to die on some day, anyway. Well, the truth is that all of them will but I didn't want to scare you by this revelation. If someone is eager to help (and be paid$100), it doesn't mean that he is really helping.

What I mean by the recommendation is that the providers of mammography and politicians shouldn't be allowed to claim that their method saves lives – or that it is a "must" for similar "reasons" – because this claim contradicts the evidence. Extensive, peer-reviewed, blah blah blah, scientific evidence.

CNN also wrote about some criticism targeting the study voiced by those who make living by mammography – billions of dollars per year industry. I find all the criticism to be indefensible malicious junk. Someone has done the most careful research involving 90,000 women for 25 years – and someone else may simply find the scientific results inconvenient. That's what's going on. The critics said that better-quality imagining devices and better professionals could have been used. Great but that would be biased. They have used the same kind of devices and professionals whom the typical women in the Western world get when they go to the annual mammography so any complaint is clearly indefensible. Moreover, if mammography were that helpful, it could be seen with the less-than-best devices, too. And despite the continuing improvements, the mammograms were in no way a "new technology" in the 1980s; mammography really began in 1895. Chances are that the death rate wouldn't drop even if everyone were undergoing the most advanced mammography. The critics also question the paper's comments on overdiagnosis. But they're very solid. In particular, it's very correct that the paper chose the actual number of casualties, and not "survival rate among the diagnosed ones", to be the quantity that matters. And there's no difference here. A higher (70% vs 63%) percentage of the "diagnosed ones" may survive in the mammography group but those 7% in the difference group would not be diagnosed and would not die (or face serious illness) if they didn't go to mammography. So this 7% group wasn't really helped in any way and it would be pure demagogy to count them as a victory for mammography. The defenders of the annual mammography have lots of vested interests – but those are among the holy cows whose motives and integrity cannot be questioned by the cowardly, hypocritical, PC media.

Australia's ABC quotes some oncologists who don't like that the study seems to imply that the very "finding the cancer early" doesn't reduce the mortality. And you know what? The study indeed seems to imply that – within their resolution. It's a dogma people want to believe that the early diagnosis is always great. But it isn't necessarily so. So minor/early stages of cancer may be present in random people. Many of them may be doing just fine with it for a century – the problem may never grow to proportions that matter. And those whose tumors are actually going to become dangerous, the early detection may be useless, too. Add the illness that may be added by the screening itself and by the unnecessary treatment and you must conclude that it's still totally plausible that the early detection makes things slightly worse, not better.

But again, even if the early detection does help in principle, we must still ask "how much it helps" and an actual empirical survey such as this one is extremely helpful if not necessary to answer the question. The answer seems to be "the help is negligible". Remarkably enough, Reuters only dedicates one paragraph (the last one) to the empirically unfounded criticism of the paper. On the contrary, KCCI offers a passionate testimony by Ms Mary Sievers who is convinced that she and her several relatives were saved by mammograms. Why is she so convinced that what the mammograms had found would have killed her? There's lots of religion-like faith in these matters.

Similar comments apply not only to healthcare; public safety is another example. A hurricane or any other natural catastrophe that destroys houses or human lives is terrible. People feel that they are "obliged" to fight against such catastrophes, at least by their way of talking or symbolically. But those things aren't really helping so any "feel good" feeling is utterly unjustifiable. You can't (detectably) reduce the hurricane rate by driving a Prius or not driving at all or by turning off the U.S. economy, for that matter. Hurricanes don't care about these matters and even if they do care, the dependence is so weak (similar to the reduction of the death rate with the help of mammograms) that it doesn't qualitatively change any particular story.

#### snail feedback (22) :

These are peer reviewed studies so they shouldn't mean anything to anybody here.

I don't know whether the comment is a joke but if it is serious, well, I personally think that peer review in many if not most cases increases the average quality of papers. But it is not flawless and it is only as good as the peers themselves - when they suck, the peer review may become useless if not counterproductive. I don't think that the community of reviewers of similar papers sucks so bad so that it would *hurt* if the paper were peer-reviewed.

Breastfeeding is the best thing a woman can do to avoid breast cancer. I should be safe ;-)

You're far too kind. That comment was never intended as a joke—the fuckwit who typed it has no sense humour. But then that type never does—she was simply stepping out of her hippy cave and finally attempting something other than constantly chanting her bilious greentard manta:

"We must go back to the bucolic stone age, peer review, 97% of psyntists and algore say so. We must go back to the bucolic stone age, peer review, 97% of psyntists and algore say so. We must go back to the bucolic stone age, peer review, 97% of psyntists and algore say so...."

Besides, you're using standard statistical methodology and looking at things rationally, Luboš. Haven't you heard, das ist verboten mit heute's pomo-retard Weltanschauung?

Lubos, our Great Generous Helmsman Barroso has spoken again. From now on the definition of butter is: "Butter is called butter, if, and only if, our Great Helmsman Barroso says so". Our Great Precious Barroso knows better than anyone what the ignorant people wants.
Viviane Reding made an interesting comment that Barroso will certainly agree with: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2556397/Britons-ignorant-EU-referendum-Top-official-says-debate-Europe-distorted-people-not-make-informed-decision.html
What do you think? ;-)

I actually have not noticed any physicists relying on us, though we sometimes interact, with quite a lot of success historically speaking.

So are we to be condemned and burnt at the stake for our "navelgazing"? Or will you just take your toys away and not play with us?

At least if you had some interesting toys it might perhaps be a matter of some regret, but how can someone who misquotes Quine in support of a view which is exactly the opposite of his (of all people, Quine the logician, who argued that anything in Set Theory is as real as anything in physics) have anything interesting? Be a good boy take away your Barbie doll or whatever it is and stop bothering people who have more serious things to do.

I wonder if a similar study has been done regarding prostate exams? I'm really not looking forward to having this incorporated into my yearly checkup.

"A decade-long study following more than 75,000 men found that prostate cancer screenings led to more diagnoses but did not reduce the number of deaths from the illness."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/16/prostate.cancer.screening/

Nice snap, Luboš. The only thing missing on that greasy little maoist runt is the red laser dot between his eyes. Better yet, the resulting bullet hole.

I hope some publicly spirited benefactor obliges soon.

By the way, here's something all those festering europhiliac pustules ought to read before somebody lances them and flushes their poison down the drain:
How the first world war inspired the EU. And why its supporters won’t tell you by Christopher Booker
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9130562/how-the-first-world-war-inspired-the-eu/

Fuck the EU and everything it stands for.

Breivik!

Government demands bad ideas are rescued by their greater and more determined implementations. The USSR, Pol Pot, and US "Wars on" demonstrate the futility of limiting budgets and impositions.

Every woman must have a mammogram each business quarter. The same apparatus will screen every male for testicular cancer each business quarter. Anybody who does not cooperate will be increasingly taxed for non-compliance. That is what freedom means to me.

(The Medical Boob Squisher Alliance approves this message.)

'with quite a lot of success, historically speaking.'
This would be a good time to provide an example as to how the 'improvements' Cantor and co brought to mathematics actually had any significance to physics. As far as empirical relevance is concerned, transfinite-analysists for instance rank somewhere below homeopaths; at least the latter are good placebo salesmen. But the body of 'knowledge' they concern themselves with is entirely separated from any 'matters of fact'; and in both cases, that is no coincidence.
Care to point out how I am misquoting Quine? My attacking on the separation between mathematics and physics is wholly in line with his attack on the analytic/synthetic distinction. Would you care to provide a source as to his views concerning set theory? My guess as to what he is actually saying is that set theoretic axioms OUGHT to be chosen in such a way as to be equally real as an electron (and I wholly agree). Id be surprised to see him coming out as saying we had entirely succeeded in doing so. But I love surprises, so please indulge me.

Disgusting. I hate the EU but I could never go so far as to use the name of that murderer as a call of defiance. He was scum. He may have been right about some things, but what he did was an act so evil and so "unchristian" that I will have nothing to do with him.

We have Mazola brand margarine in the US. Maslo and Mazola sound similar to me, but I am likely mispronouncing. I am pretty sure the Mazola name comes from maize-oil. In any case, is Czech spread-naming technology behind the US? http://motls.blogspot.com/2012/10/spread-susy-wino-lsp-displaced-vertices.html

This reminds me one joke by American comedian Lewis Black, where he talks about inappropriate name of “Soy milk”. There are no soy boobs, so no soy milk. It should be called soy juice. But who would by that?

It makes one wonder, how many European commissars have earned their degree in clown school?

Hi Fred,

Yes, well never mind all that negative stuff as I see we're in general agreement on the moral 'etiquette' involved here then as you're clearly with me on the desirability of that bullet hole, otherwise you would have said as much, right? Splendid.

So let's not quibble over these minor points of style. Pax. :)

LOL, unlikely. Mazola surely sounds like a brand name that one could create in the context of the Czech language but I would probably choose it for bicycle lubricants, not butter. Other Czech speakers surely understand me. ;-)

Your brave hero Breveik is whinging and threatening a hunger strike because he wants a PS3.

http://www.lalibre.be/dernieres-depeches/afp/breivik-menace-d-une-greve-de-la-faim-pour-faire-cesser-la-torture-52fe159c3570c16bb1ccd9c4

Hello Fred,

Excellent. I see we're still in agreement on the main point, but you do like your quibble.

You know it is a mark of disrespect to spell someone's name incorrectly, unless you are simply being careless of course, which is almost as bad. Tut tut.

By the way, I hope you're not a scientist or engineer of any kind because otherwise your tendency to jump to false conclusions on the basis of no evidence at all would reflect badly on the reputation of your esteemed colleagues.

For your information I much prefer my homicidal heros to come in industrial strength. I mean, if you're going to kill people you need to do it at least by the thousand. The British Political Class, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Southall, for instance, sorely need to meet their Bomber Harris. Now that man would be my kind of hero, not some Sunday-afternoon Johnny like Breivik. The problem he was addressing really is no job for cottage-industry amateurs — he's just made it more difficult for the professionals.

I hope that helps.

I think you are taking our local dadaist John rather too much at "face value".

As for Breivik; this PS3 thing is a rather trivial issue compared with some other matters, e.g.

Intrigued by this story of yet more bureaucratic interference from the EU overlords, I checked out the butter spreads at the local non-EU supermarket.

The situation appears to be identical. Spreads containing butter are carefully labelled so as to not give the misleading impression that they contain 100% butter. These labels have brand names like "organic spreadable", "western star spreadable", "our light one", "our extra soft" and "our dairy soft".

Out of curiosity I purchased a product called "original butter" for experimental purposes.