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The mild civil war in Ukraine

Thankfully, the number of the new casualties in Ukraine remains relatively low. Whether we call the confrontation "a civil war" is a matter of terminology and only with the hindsight we will acquire in the future, we will be able to decide whether it is an appropriate word for the recent events.

The attitude of the would-be mainstream Western politicians, institutions, and media (and the brainwashed hundreds of millions of average citizens who never question anything they are fed) looks staggeringly hypocritical, cruel, and just plain idiotic to me. My overall sentiment concerning the U.S. interventions has been positive until recently. You know, I live in a city that was grateful to the U.S. army for the liberation from Nazism. (Unfortunately, this liberation wasn't enough to give the words "Western Bohemia" the same ring and political meaning as the words "West Germany" LOL.) This positive sentiment has survived doubts about the U.S. excursions to Yugoslavia – where I would already notice a significant anti-Serbian xenophobia of the U.S. approach – and neutral or counterproductive interventions in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere.

The U.S. had the moral right to "do something" in Afghanistan after 9/11 while, as we know today, it didn't have a sufficient justification for its operations in Iraq a decade ago. However, I think that with the hindsight, the results in Afghanistan are worse than those in Iraq. Afghanistan is really "unfixable". It is foolish to expect that Afghanistan may be turned into a productive capitalist democracy similar to the Western ones. It is a highly undeveloped nation on drugs which has no real chances to be "like us". Iraq is different and the intervention may already be seen as a net positive.




However, my opinion about the U.S. meddling in the other countries' affairs has dropped below zero because of the events in Ukraine and it will stay below zero for quite some time. I will surely belong among those who will encourage America to "stay home" and "shut up" for years to come. (The EU is nearly silent and irrelevant in all these disputes which is why I won't talk about it at all – but whatever I say about the U.S. media holds for the European ones, too.) At the end of 2013, powerful forces in the U.S. – and the bulk of the population brainwashed by the "mainstream" – has decided that it was time to convert Ukraine into a rich anti-Russian EU country, or something insane like that, so they did everything they could to undermine the democratically elected and totally legitimate government of Mr Yanukovitch.




He is no real hero of mine but he was a clear victim. A poor guy. The PC propaganda machine has been loudly screaming when this legitimate president ordered his cops to use rubber bullets against dangerously aggressive demonstrators (who ultimately overthrew the government, indeed) for a few weeks. Now, the totally illegal and illegitimate de facto government of Western Ukraine invaded Eastern Ukraine with tanks and jets flying a few meters above the ground – apparently in order to extend their power over Eastern Ukraine, too, after they broke into several buildings in Kiev. They are using tanks and jets against their own people – or at least citizens of territories that they want to call "theirs".

There isn't a slight dissatisfaction among the official PC Western forces. A legitimate president can't even use rubber bullets but an illegitimate, coup-appointed de facto government is allowed to calm the unsatisfied citizens with tanks? I agree with Putin that these people are just insane, and so are the people in the West who suddenly endorse this intended genocide.

Fortunately, most of the soldiers are sensible folks who haven't been mentally paralyzed by the anti-Russian war propaganda. So when the Maidan-controlled kids arrived to Kramatorsk or Slavyansk (or both) with their tanks, the local folks asked them whether they wanted to shoot peaceful civilians. After some exchange, they realized that none of them is really insane and they didn't disagree about anything. So the six or ten or more tanks were seized by the pro-Russian militia which has peacefully used them as cool toys. ;-)

So nothing dramatic and deadly is really taking place in Eastern Ukraine. So far. (Last night, I was told during an investor seminar that nothing serious will happen in the future, either. It would be against the economic interests of everyone involved. Well, I am not so sure but OK. The second part of the event was a lecture about Caribbean rums and their tasting; I could actually distinguish them, kind of.) But that's only thanks to the rather ordinary people's being sensible. If things were up to the folks like John McCain or the current de facto government of Western Ukraine and if they could really control the Ukrainian army, there would already have been thousands of casualties in Ukraine.

Meanwhile, a part of the Western press wants to spread the meme that everyone who opposes the Maidan-appointed de facto government of Western Ukraine (or, as it would like to describe itself, a government of the whole Ukraine) has to be a personal agent of Vladimir Putin. In my optics, these ideas are exactly on par with the theory that the moonlanding was staged in Nevada or New Mexico. Have you lost your mind? There are clearly tens of millions of Ukrainian citizens who feel closer to the current government in Moscow than to the current de facto government in Kiev. The reasons why they feel so are a matter of common sense. You must be a complete idiot not to understand these reasons. You had to be stupid beyond imagination if you couldn't have predicted that the coup in Kiev would lead to backlash, mostly in the East and Southeast. Millions of them are ready to participate in some minor resistance. Tens of thousands (and perhaps hundreds of thousands) are ready to use weapons to protect their political preferences and their individual and collective rights. The people who fundamentally disagree with the Maidan ideology are a huge fraction of the citizenship of Ukraine – and arguably a majority. To deny that these tens of millions with their legitimate rights and their own opinions exist (everyone like that must be an agent hired by Putin!?) is similar to the denial of the Holocaust.

I liked a yesterday's Peter Lavelle's CrossTalk on Russia Today that was dedicated to Russophobia. The debaters finally managed to point out that the main source of Russophobia in the "mainstream" discourse of the West are the "liberals", in the sense of the contemporary leftwingers. Their group think and requirements of uniformity resemble the Comintern 80 years ago or so. They can't live with the slightest deviations from the PC orthodoxy – look how the EU reacts to some modest specifics of the Hungarian nation and politics. They hate contemporary Russia because Russia defends many of the pre-Soviet, Russian-Empire-like traditional values such as the traditional family, patriotism, economic pragmatism, and tolerance towards people's differing interests and dreams, and so on. The debaters also pointed out that Russophobia plays the same role of the attractor of stupidity that anti-Semitism would play in the 1930s and 1940s. Every other idiot seems to be using Russia as an excuse for his own mistakes, for the fact that his own decisions didn't lead to outcomes he would prefer. Some of them hope that this strategy will inevitably get depleted in some timeframe.

As a kid, I would believe that (most) people were inherently sensible and fair. I would think that e.g. the Holocaust had to be some insanely unlikely anomaly or a result of some rare collective pandemics affecting the brain. But the people who endorse the Maidan regime today when it sends tanks against the innocent yet inconvenient Russian population in Ukraine and who even want to supply weapons to this illegitimate regime clearly have the same psychology as the anti-Semitic Nazis around 1940. They must really treat some nations (or their ethnically or ideologically defined subsets) as trash even though these nations are actually more peaceful, more productive, and more developed than the nations (or their ethnically or ideologically defined subsets) that they mindlessly and uncritically support. Nothing is beyond the pale for them. I am scared of them. I am scared of every brainwashed person who can't see how totally unfair and hypocritical all this treatment is. I am scared by those who don't want to allow the citizens of Donetsk to show their dissatisfaction with the current illegal de facto government – although analogous (but more angry and hateful) demonstrators in Kiev had all the support against a legitimate government. I am scared of the fact that there are hundreds of millions of such people, too. This high number almost makes me afraid of saying that these brainwashed mobs suck.

The coup in Kiev couldn't have led to anything positive. It was a criminal activity, a violation of the basic constitutional order in a country that would need several silent, problem-free decades to become more than a nearly failed, non-uniform state. The equilibrium and peaceful co-existence – and gradual homogenization – of the different ethnic and political cultures living on the Ukrainian territory has to continue for some time before the most visible problems and tensions fade away. Democratic elections and a smooth reign of the elected governments is really needed for that. An aggressive coup by a subset of the Ukrainian nation that lost the last legitimate election just couldn't be a path to stability and peace. Whoever thinks it could is a lunatic. At most, it could transfer the political battle between the vastly different groups in Ukraine from the world of ballots to the world of bullets. And that's simply not a good transformation of the political order.

Alternatively, Ukraine has to be reorganized, federalized, or partly annexed by Russia, according to a sensible plan that will be agreed by both sides. But no good outcome of this sort may ever be achieved if one side refuses to even admit the existence of the other side – and its legitimate rights, its priorities, its intrinsic power, and its support behind the borders. All these aspects have to be realistically taken into account by both sides if they ever agree about any constructive future – that would at least remotely resemble the Velvet Divorce of Czechoslovakia. So far, one of the sides – the Maidan regime and its deluded supporters in the West – has failed to even admit that there are tens of millions of people in Ukraine who don't want to accept a life under this regime.



Yes, sure, dear U.S. readers, Alaska is going to be annexed now and it will be renamed Ice Crimea. :-)) But Putin will wait for the climate to get more pleasant over there so that the workers in Ice Crimea don't have to be subsidized too much.

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reader MoptopTheConservative said...

I find it hard to judge a population that was the subject of genocidal policies by the Soviet Union. What a horrific history. It is little wonder that many Ukrainians thought the wrong side won WWII and that great distrust of Russia remains. On the other hand, I can see why the Russians see expansion of NATO and the EU as expansionist moves by a competing empire, even if it has no formal emperor. What if the Ukraine had been part of NATO already? Then NATO would have been bound by treaty to go to war against Russia.


It is so easy to destroy, and so hard to build.


reader Alexander Ač said...

Luboš,


just wait till this relatively isolated conflict will spread to other countries. That will not be such fun anymore...

Alex


reader Luboš Motl said...

Dear Moptop, yours is a strange collective way of looking at people. Most people in Ukraine don't even remotely remember the era of Stalin.


In the same way, you could say that the Jews were subject to the Holocaust so they can't have OK relationships with Germans, for example. It turns out that Israel has friendly relationships with Germany. So the history excuse/determination doesn't really work.

One should primarily judge the people's present actions as actions of individuals that appear in the context of the present political conditions.


If Ukraine were in NATO, Russia wouldn't touch even Crimea. However, what you miss is another thing: if Ukraine were going to be incorporated into a NATO a few years ago, there would have been a war with Russia, anyway, simply because Russia views the NATO membership as a red line. As long as it is an operational country, Russia won't allow Ukraine in NATO.


reader BobSykes said...

Ice Crimea. Lovin' it. Obviously vanilla.


As an older American, the three recent events that have radically changed my judgements about America and its government are (1) Snowdon's and other revelations about the extent of the illegal and unconstitutional spying on Americans and others, (2) the policy of murdering American citizens and others without any kind of trial or judicial process and (3) America's support and likely instigation of the overthrow of a legitimate, democratically elected government.


In retrospect, this is a pattern of behavior by America's elites that goes back as far as the Mexican-American war. America's elites stand condemned before the world.


reader physicsnut said...

totally agree - we ought to stay home and shut up - and that Ukraine needs several silent and problem free decades to sort things out. The idiot politicians are really screwing things up.


reader Stacey_supergirl said...

Thank you Mr Motl for the clearest and most sensible explanation of the Ukraine situation I have seen so far.
It makes you wonder if the negotiations between the EU, especially with Frau Merkel, and the Putin government over the release of the Greenpeace pirates had any relevance to what the Russians must have known was brewing in the Ukraine. I doubt their release didn't cost the EU something, somehow, politically, as well as Germany's and other European nations dependence on Russian gas.


reader HenryBowman419 said...

There seem to have been some ominous developments for some segments of the population, though, at least in Donetsk.


reader mr. critic said...

Reading these lenghty articles about Russian affairs I cant stop thinking that there is a good reason why physicists don't rule the world. Although very intelligent in nature they behave more like a nerdish children who likes to play with rockets and in the case of slavic ancestry goes boom-boom on America. First, lets make clear that there is no identity between Russia and Putin. Of course, as politician he makes sense. He's one of the richest people in the world.

Now, lets not delve deep in matters such as how a single politic can outperform most of the businessmen on the planet. It's part of his greatness I guess. The Chicago school of economics views all politicians as inherent evil in the system which must always be under surveillance, like a tumor or something, and which sole purpose is to help the business develop unhindered and the economy to gets stronger, not rising above them, but I'm sure they'll make an exception for a great person who gets insanely rich when his country sinks in drunken degradation and barbarism. Yes, Russia has remarkably low quality of life and the shortest mean length of life compared to all the white countries. That's what the data says, but maybe the brainwashing has manifested itself in the form of digits.

I only want to say one thing. People who like the way Putin does things must be forced to live in his reality, Farage included. They must feel the beauty of living in medieval asian feudal khanate, because that's what Russia has always been, now amplified by The Great One. One Russian journalist compared Putin to the ayatollahs recently. A really good point. The iranian religious fanatics also had a great deal of hatred toward the evil West, accusing it for all the poverty and misfortune that befell them and had preached a lot about preservation of the traditional values of the dark ages.

Of course, only a fool can think that the russian oligarchy believes in their own petty lies. They care about one thing only and they'll sooner or later start to export their model, along with the oil, across all of Europe simply because it will help them becoming even richer. Corrupting everything in their path is the way they go. I live in a country close to Russia and I know the size of damage and destruction such monster from hell can inflict on a small, defenseless society and its individual minds. It's certainly not a pleasant sight.

We - the europeans - must ban this creeping plague, but it seems the conformist thinking that has now possessed Europe is causing some mighty mis-reasoning. You know what will happen if we ban Russia from trading? The europeans will lose some of their comfort and Russia will starve to death - in the moment their resources are depleted - and then, yes, there will be a war, but not a world war, a civil war, inside the country, when people like Putin will be put on a pike. The one thing he's really afraid of is to fall in the Ukrainian scenario, hence the muscle showing demonstrations. But pathetic propaganda will not save him when his time is up. In that moment, even the Russians, who are sick from dellusion of grandeur (they are fed from birth with distorted history and images of tanks) will realize that without proper working economy they are doomed.


There is no such thing as a free market economy in the middle ages. And no war can build such thing. Nobody will help Russia in this madness. China has a huge market in America. They are friends. Russia badly needs to learn from them, as they also need a leader like Deng Xiaoping and not the one with the homoerotic pictures, hunting beasts in the tundra naked. Sadly, the majority of the Russians have never lived like conscious human beings in their entire history and they can easily survive any Apocalypse like rats in some holes in the ground, which in turn will always be exploited by people like Putin. So the future for their neighbours looks grim.


reader Swine flu said...

I have to say, Putin does have a strange side to him:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/5972503/Hunting-shooting-and-fishing-with-Vladimir-Putin-Russias-man-of-action.html?image=17

I used to think this was just a calculated move to gain popularity with the masses, but I wonder if that all there is to it.


reader cygx said...

To be fair to the western public, it is rather easy to cast the Russians as the bad guys:

Breaking international treaties (Budapest Memorandum) to get your people 'Heim ins Reich' while handing out leaflets asking Jews to register. Nope, doesn't sound familiar at all...


Let's just hope that sanity will prevail.


reader Uncle Al said...

Putin for President! Right or wrong, he's not stupid.


reader RMB said...

Maybe just propaganda, but have you heard anything about this: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/


reader NikFromNYC said...

Brooklyn's own VICE magazine seems to be the only outlet offering real video journalism there, now up to part 26:

http://www.vice.com/vice-news/russian-roulette-the-invasion-of-ukraine-part-26


reader RMB said...

What a video. Thanks.


reader Oleg said...

Yys one of the richest people in the world.


reader Oleg said...

You seem to know Putin very well, including his bank account balance. Were you perhaps too close to him ... Such a traumatic experience would certainly explain these bitter rants :)

This is a perfect example of mindless Russophobia, which Lubos alluded to. I won't even dignify with an answer "the majority of the Russians have never lived like conscious human beings in their entire history".



All you wrote was an outpour of fanatically anti-Russian emotions and zilch facts. The facts are: under Putin
the Russian economy has been steadily improving (yes, there's a heavy burden from the Soviet past); his
popularity has also been increasing owing to his logical policy; he did some important things on the international arena such as prevention of destruction of yet another country by US/NATO bombing (Syria); he tried to save Ukraine from bankruptcy by offering loans and gas discounts rather than supporting violence like the US/EU did,... I won't bother to expand since facts, I guess, would not impress you.


My favorite bit was "we - the Europeans":) Sorry for such "Europe" unless you mean the 5X5 white-wall cell you are in.


reader Oleg said...

Does not make any sense to me. The Kiev driving force - the Right Sector (and Svoboda) are known antisemits just like their hero Bandera. Se e.g.

http://risu.org.ua/en/index/all_news/community/vandalism/56035/



Certainly it's not in the interests of Donezk who need all the support they can get.


reader Gene Day said...

I ought to have referred to a classically exact solution. In the real QM world there is never an exact solution but only a distribution of probabilities.


reader Mikel Mariñelarena said...

I can't believe that I preferred McCain to win over Obama. Would he now
be handing over weapons to a failed state like Ukraine and provoking a
military confrontation with Russia? Doesn't the idiot even realize that
they might as well end up in the hands of the pro-Russian separatists,
given the obvious lack of control by Kiev of its armed forces? I'll also
be unable to regard the US foreign policy as I used to for a very long
time to come.


reader QsaTheory said...

I was hoping that people of your caliber could understand what I wrote. But I guess it is my fault for not being clear. What I mean is that particles are modeled as fields as in QFT but these fields do not carry any information about their gravitational properties. Gravitons are mostly derived from GR, but GR has only stress-energy momentum( representing matter) but not true quantum fields. In another word I am looking for a true Quantum Gravity theory. I will elaborate in case you did not get what I mean this time also. I appreciate your interest.


reader alejandro rivero said...

Yep, this normalization, where the Y top happens to be y/sqrt(2) was favored by Sakurai, for instance.


reader anna v said...

The game of taking sides in a multi-ethnic community.

And a chess game of NATO which wanted to "acquire" Ukraine, and believed it had achieved its goal when the EU track was accepted by whoever it was in the pre-crisis Ukraine, forgetting that in a split ethnically country democracy has a chance of getting the other half into power. As the pro-EU faction of the west was manipulated by the west, so the pro-russia faction was manipulated by Russia, which primarily did not want to have NATO in her underbelly in Crimea.

Had there not been the chess move of getting Ukraine into the EU and therefore NATO camp there would not have been the annexing of Crimea.

The toe bone is connected to the ankle bone ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QATrkbo4K8


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reader anna v said...

From today's news , Obama :"We have to be prepared that we can actually respond to what continue to
be efforts of interference by the Russians in eastern and southern
Ukraine,"

It shows how far he is from understanding what happens when ethnic conflicts are unleashed, maybe the whole of west does not, even though the EU has the various separatist factions within countries.

In my opinion it is not a matter of interference now by Russia, it is a matter of self combustion ;"Crimea got her wish why not us". Living in a country where ethnic conflicts against Turks have a long history I can tell you that there exists a visceral reaction in the populace that once unleashed cannot be easily contained. With the crisis in Cyprus in 1974 everybody and his cousin were ready to march on Turkey, even though the regime in control was the hated junta. Ethnicity and religion in the mass reactions take precedence over politics.


reader Shannon said...

Americans have always been like the elephant in the porcelain shop when it comes to interference... deliberately. "Divide and rule", the more shit in the rest of the world the more power remains in their hands... I save you, you pay me.


reader Oleg said...

According to the Donezk governor, it's fake :

http://rt.com/news/kiev-troops-southeast-ukraine-244/


reader Luboš Motl said...

Hi Oleg, it still seems plausible to me that the author of the fake document had two goals, not just one: to harm the image of the Donetsk Republic; and to chase the Jews away from Ukraine.


reader RMB said...

This looks like a pretty good on the ground summary of the issue: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/17/jews-in-east-ukraine-are-being-threatened-but-by-whom.html


reader Gene Day said...

Obama probably understands more than you think but he is, above all, a politician. He understands very well the American body politic which, sadly, remains stuck in a cold war mentality. For instance:
Antisemitic leaflets have been circulated in western Ukraine, which say all Jews must identify themselves and register. I have even seen one US news report attributing these leaflets to the pro-Russian side. Absurdity knows no limits; I’m afraid, when it comes to American politics. And we are not unique.


reader Gene Day said...

I have deep personal respect for McCain and not just because of his military service but he has really lost it, has he not?


reader Luboš Motl said...

Dear Gene, these flyers were spread in *Eastern* Ukraine, not Western Ukraine, but it's not clear who is the actual author. Of course it's likely it was done by someone who is pro-Maidan; but it could have been an anti-Semite from the pro-Russian, side. Nothing is for certain; of course that there are more anti-Semites on the pro-Maidan side so it's more likely that it was someone from their side. This was discussed in detail at another point of this thread.


I don't believe that a nation is guaranteed to be stuck in a Cold War mentality for 25+ or more years after the Cold War was assumed to be over. It's not intelligence; it's just a sign of resignation. A good politician doesn't resign like that; a good politician actually tries to lead the nation and (gradually) change it in some way. So even if one accepts what you say, I think that it just implies that Obama is a lousy politician.


reader cynholt said...

The job of a Community Organizer is to make fortunes for real estate investors gentrifying. That is what Obama did in Chicago, and that is just what he’s doing in Ukraine. Cargill is angling for land rights, and other investors are anticipating a really, really cheap labor force as Ukraine’s currency plummets. Obama is simply working with his backers, asking them what they want him to do. His job is to deliver his constituency.


reader cynholt said...

The US seems intent on ratcheting up the tension in spite of logic and reason, which leads me to believe that it currently has a tenuous grip on sanity. Putin cannot afford to let the US get a foothold in eastern Ukraine, it’s worse than bedbugs and much more dangerous.

The US has consistently sidestepped the UN, there is not much reason to think that it will change behavior. It also spent considerable effort to get this mess started, far more than in Syria. The US, like the good Capitalist it is, likes to get a healthy ROI.

The threat to the petrodollar, and dollar in general, is very real. I’m sure that the BRICS always had designs on moving away from the dollar, but the US pushed their hand. Financial chaos benefits no one, I think that the BRICS and particularly China because of their dollar exposure, would have preferred to guide the dollar to a soft landing.

Market turmoil could be weeks, months, possibly even a couple years away depending upon how many fingers the FED grows to plug the dike. But it is coming and it won’t be pretty. The sad thing is that this could have been managed and maybe avoided if the US were even halfway reasonable.

I think the US wants to keep the possibility of military intervention in their back pocket for use as distraction if there is a sudden interruption to the American Dream. UN intervention might keep the dogs of war at bay for a bit, but the US seems to only cooperate until it’s not convenient anymore. Devious thinking, but I would rule out no such possibility for the current administration.

I really hope I’m wrong, but that is reality as I see it.


reader cynholt said...

After Putin outmaneuvered The Teleprompter over Syria, it's clear
to most everyone who the real power broker is now.

Has Putin annexed the Chopper behind
Obummer yet? ;~)


reader --- said...

Congratulations mr Motl. You are a nazi-supporter:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/pro-russians-in-donetsk-deny-calling-for-jews-to-register/



and now it's official.


reader cynholt said...

Perhaps, just perhaps, the people of Europe still remember the last war, unlike Americans who have no memory of war being fought on home soil and destroying cities and roads choked with refugees, killing millions. Maybe they really just don't want to do that anymore. Maybe they're happy to trade with Russia, perhaps even hold their noses while doing so, rather than make war with them.

It seems it's the US, whose psychopathic "leaders" are happy to make war in someone else's backyard, to constantly push for dominance, "leaders" who are able to get the American people to go along, mostly because the American people have no memory of just what it means to have a war fought right outside their backdoor.

Doesn't anyone study history anymore?


reader cynholt said...

Antisemitic flyer 'by Donetsk People's Republic' in Ukraine a HOAX: City's chief rabbi states pamphlet is FAKE, claiming it is meant to discredit pro-Russian protesters or Jewish community

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/18/antisemitic-donetsk-peoples-republic-ukraine-hoax

[Seems like the propaganda is getting sloppier and more desperate since the Kiev lapdogs’ “anti-terrorist” campaign devolved into an embarrassing wave of desertions and general unwillingness on the part of the army to fight its own people.]


reader Alexander Ač said...

Cynholt,

agreed. Most people is interested in BS for most of the time. What can be the result?

My guess is not good... Alex


reader Angie Rossi said...

Looks like the BLM are coming back to the ranch in Nevada, yet the mainstream media hides the entire story. Boggles the mind.


reader Gene Day said...

I understood exactly what you wrote, QsaTheory, and it was gibberish. If you really want to understand quantum gravity you will have to gain expertise in string theory but I won’t hold my breath.


reader Rehbock said...

I think Gene has it right except ... I am sure you can gain the expertise. Start by dismissing the Idea you link. It is based on Verlinde entropic gravity, http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/01/erik-verlinde-why-gravity-cant-be.html
Yes of course that was where to hear first. Others follow
http://www.science20.com/hammock_physicist/entropic_gravity_getting_messy-82127

I suppose what I am trying to make clear is that to get a grasp of what is a true theory you may not need to be an expert in string theory but you ought read LM because it does take an expert to give you a grasp.


reader Rehbock said...

Nail in coffin to verlinde
http://arxiv.org/abs/1108.4161


reader Rehbock said...

Congratulations --- you are an asshole and idiot.


reader Rehbock said...

Here in Ice Crimea the snow is melting and the chocolate repositories of moose and dogs adorn our yards. But perhaps that did not interest you in chocolate?
Agree that US has behaved badly but suspect we can pull ourselves together and re acquire our credibility. If Lubos is correct then Obama may be just too lousy a politician to do it. I am not sure that he is a lousy politician but he has to be a useful statesman in addition a consummate politician with a great sense of history .hmm Luboš is right.


reader Luboš Motl said...

LOL, it's a 2011 paper, Rehbock! It's been discussed on this blog 3 years ago, too

http://motls.blogspot.com/2011/08/once-more-gravity-is-not-entropic-force.html?m=1



Time is flying.


reader BobSykes said...

Actually, I would prefer pistachio.


However, I am very pessimistic about the ability of America to pull itself together. Virtually every foreign policy and military affairs expert interviewed on American TV or writing op ads in major papers accepts the legitimacy of the junta and the illegitimacy of the Yanukovych government. Furthermore, they all want a very aggressive intervention in Ukraine up to the point of arming and training the junta's military and policy forces (assuming they have any at this point) and to positioning substatial NATO forces in Poland, Lithuania and other new NATO countries. One clown actually wanted nuclear-capable bombers stationed in Poland.


So far Obama has managed to avoid taking lunatic actions. But if the kind of advice the talking head are giving America is also being said to Obama, I fear for us.


reader cynholt said...

It bears repeating again and again that the Ukrainian-Russian crisis is to be resolved by Ukrainians and Russians. Evey day that goes by, what is going on in Ukraine sounds more and more like a case of snakes, jackals and vultures fighting over a carcass. We need to stay the hell out of it. It's a lose-lose proposition for the US. Let the Europeans handle Europe, the Muslims handle Islam, the Asians deal with Asia and the Africans sort out Africa. We've got our own messes to mitigate right here at home.

Most other countries involved in this conflict -with negotiations, threats, and financial bribes- are outsiders just fueling a larger crisis for their own benefit. These intruders have little to teach other nations when they themselves have been constantly engaged in wars and conflicts, which have failed to produce positive outcomes. They will be responsible for the larger human drama that may develop in Eastern Europe.


reader Guest said...

One advice, stick to physics, Luboš.


reader alejandro rivero said...

I still think, by the way, that SUSY is right but in the sense of the primitive Dual Quark-Gluon model: both quark and leptons (surely because a SU(4) puts them in the same footing) are supersymmetric to gluonic open strings.


reader QsaTheory said...

I have seen all these references, I have been following the development in physics closely for the past five years. I myself believe that gravity IS a fundamental force. I showed the reference because of the different spin which was given to Verlinde's theory and there are many more in the literature (like entanglement). I just wanted to give an example to a theory that involves the particle field and gravity directly although not necessarily the correct theory. However, I do think that Verlinde's and Joakim's ideas are very important and as you know his insight was motivated by string theory through the holographic principle... etc.

To be fair I have seen many good attempts by string theory to do similar things but it looks fragmented to me at this point. For example

http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-th/0403247v3.pdf


reader QsaTheory said...

Please see my reply to Rehbock. Also Please list any references that you might think sort of answers my question.


reader QsaTheory said...

Please see my reply to Rehbock.


reader Y said...

Seems like you have watched a lot on russian news channels before writing this text.
You build such a brilliant chain of arguments, however i am wondering whether you know a word "falsifications" related to any kind of elections? Do you still remember what happened on Nov 30, 2013 at Maidan? Or what was happening there during January?


reader jorge videla said...

Bob. Cochran is not decent. He's a stupid hick.

But given I'm in the BGI study maybe "decent" and "stupid" mean something different to me.


reader --- said...

I might be asshole but you and mr Motl are for sure nazi-supporters:

http://ukrainianpolicy.com/insurgents-identified-the-green-men-of-vkontakte/



You support pro-soviet, antisemitic holocaust-deniers. It's a fact. While Right Sector protects Jews in Odessa, your russian heros would like to see those Jews burning in crematories.


Congratulations, once again.


reader davideisenstadt said...

pearls before swine. ha ha