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It's suicidal to fly over New Russia these days

The mysteriously lost MH370 flight of the Malaysian Airlines hasn't been found and there's another tragedy for the company: MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was shot down near Shakhtar in the Donetsk People's Republic, about 30 miles from the Russian border. The 295 people on board (280 passengers + 15 crew members) died.

I was saddened and shocked at the same moment. People get harassed with all kinds of security regulations but when it comes to the actual trajectories of airplanes, they continue to fly right above the de facto warzone as if nothing were happening over there.




I think that the people who decided it was OK for this particular plane to fly over that place should be tried for manslaughter and the people who made similar, so far non-fatal decisions in all other airlines should be immediately fired.




Given the pretty much regular daily news about the ethnic Russian activists' successful neutralization of the Ukrainian military aircraft that the Maidan regime has hijacked and uses to exterminate the Russian-speaking population in New Russia (they shot about 2 Maidan planes yesterday), it's simply stunning that someone would dare to send jetliners with hundreds of innocent people to fly directly over that de facto warzone.

A trajectory from the Netherlands to Malaysia that would completely avoid Ukraine would be just a few miles longer!

I think it's more likely that the anti-Maidan activists were those who have shot the jetliner down – even though they claim that they simply don't possess the necessary military equipment. So it could have been the "official" Maidan forces as well. There could have been various reasons – including the convoluted possibility that the jetliner was shot down by one side that wanted to blame the other side for the tragedy.

We will probably never be quite sure who has shot the jetliner down, whether he really wanted to do it, and whether he was encouraged by some of the powerful people at the top.

Please, airlines, stop flying over that region because – if you haven't noticed yet – people are fighting over there and they are equipped with missiles that are demonstrably capable of shooting the aircraft down. The European Union and the U.S. left-wing interventionists have turned Ukraine into a failed state where lots of people are unnecessarily dying in order to please these left-wing interventionists in the West. You really don't want to sacrifice hundreds of people who had nothing to do with that conflict.

Incidentally, Obama's White House has imposed additional insane and totally illogical sanctions against Russia. I agree with those who say that Obama, Kerry et al. are proving that they are dangerous psychopaths. At least, Tony Abbott – after he completed the abolition of the carbon tax (big congratulations to Australia!) – has urged G20 to continue cooperating with Russia. At least one sensible guy among the loons.

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reader ReneeADekker said...

There are many rumors and other news about education. But, as we all know, if there are some improvements or problems in education, we people must cooperate to try in solving that kind of problem. It's not that good to let things go on even if there is only a little problem.


reader BobSykes said...

One thinks of the Iranian passenger plane shot down by the USS Vincennes in Gulf I (or was it II?). And the Korean airliner shot down by the Russians.


reader Frank Ch. Eigler said...

"the ethnic Russian activists'
successful neutralization of the Ukrainian military aircraft that the
Maidan regime has hijacked and uses to exterminate the Russian-speaking
population in New Russia"

So side A merely "neutralizes" side B's planes when they shoot them down. At the same time side B "exterminates" a people by shooting down side A's planes. Lubos, at least you're not even trying to hide your bias.


reader exze said...

Too much strong evidence points to Russians.

http://web.archive.org/web/20140717155720/https://vk.com/wall-57424472_7256

And they have the necessary military equipment:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LrHB6pEh5RU/U78J9pzO3yI/AAAAAAAASnc/tVQH7JhiRt4/s1600/Donetsk+4.jpg


reader pablo_bck said...

There's no mistery here. We already know who should be blamed for this sad act:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g


reader pkjag said...

Hey what do you think about gavin wince and his theories on multidimensional time that's if you discuss non-mainstream physics??


reader papertiger0 said...

http://mashable.com/2014/07/17/giant-crater-siberia/



Is this a result of Lubos' time portal experiments?


Or maybe it is the Silver Surfer hearlding the return of Galactus?


reader Iva said...

"We will probably never be quite sure who has shot the jetliner down,"

"You", Putin's admirers maybe don't want to "know" and probably will never "know", i.e concede. Communists did not "know" about Gulag until 1990 and many don't "know" even today. But to the outside world it's already obvious that the terrorists supported by the Putin's criminal regime had done this. With the surface-air sophisticated missiles obtained from the Putin's regime. And there will be major consequences, you can be sure.


reader papertiger0 said...

Here's the thing. Would you drive a tour bus through the DPR or Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Kashmire?


Of course you wouldn't. So why are you flying an airbus through those places?


reader physicsnut said...

some bigwig on Bloomberg News said that a Ukrainian website had audio of the crew manning the missile shot.


reader Wondering said...

Seems criminal to arm crazies with missiles that can shoot down planes that high. Even if they are so putinely motlovable.


reader HenryBowman419 said...

Iva, you are probably correct that folks supported by Vladimir perpetrated this act. But, Luboš has a good point, that it is foolhardy to fly over a war zone where anti-aircraft missiles are present. Recall that the U.S. Navy shot down an Iranian airliner during the Gulf War, somehow mistaking it for an enemy aircraft. Screw-ups occur in war, and sometimes they are really bad screw-ups. M guess is this falls in that category, but it's too soon to know.

I still find it somewhat amazing that the U.S. Administration ignores its own law and recognizes the illegitimate regime in Ukraine. But, it recognizes the illegitimate regime in Egypt, as well.


reader HenryBowman419 said...

The two events are not quite equivalent: the Soviets intended to shoot down Korean Air Flight 007 for violation of airspace, whereas it seems that the USS Vincennes shoot-down was a colossal mistake, as my guess is the shoot-down of MH-17 will likely be determined (if it is ever determined).

There is also the purported shoot-down of TWA Flight 800 by a missile. I doubt we'll ever know what happened to that airliner.


reader Ivan said...

the "regime" in Ukraine was recognized (after the free elections) even by Russia, so I am not sure what is exactly your point.

Btw "we" already "know" who did it: a KGB major in Donetsk reported to the comrades in the KGB headquarters:
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/separatists-admit-downing-a-civilian-plane-in-tapped-conversation-full-transcript-356545.html


reader HenryBowman419 said...

I think it is still against U.S. law. I have no idea what Russian law is.


reader Luboš Motl said...

The people in Eastern Ukraine are in no way crazies. They just live in a difficult situation - which was partly created by historical accidents, partly by unwise foreign interventions by primitive imbeciles like you.


Also, they have the same reasons why they may want to use weapons as everyone else, and the same right to do so under the same circumstances.


I don't know who shot the aircraft but for the ethnic Russians, it is clearly understandable and morally justifiable to try to shoot down any airplane over the territory because a hostile army is sending airplanes over there to murder hundreds of civilians and to expel tens of thousands of others.


reader Luboš Motl said...

I've seen news that they listened to us and started to avoid Ukraine.


reader mesocyclone said...

It is highly likely that the aircraft was shot down by separatists. They had captured (and bragged about capturing) the appropriate air defense system. They no doubt have been given training in this, either from past experience in the Ukranian or even Soviet military, or more recently by GRU operatives in the area. Their leader posted to the Internet that they had shot down an Antonov aircraft about the time the 777 went down, complete with video of the crash. This video was yanked shortly afterwards. Unless you think this was planted, it's strong evidence of guilt.

It is also inexcusable that they did this. I know of no other rebel movement in which high flying aircraft were targeted. None. When they unleashed this weapons system, they had to know they could make a mistake. Furthermore, the system has the capability to discriminate between a civilian airliner and other targets.

The rebels should now be judged international terrorists and treated as such.

All of the rationalization I've been seeing on this blog doesn't justify their behavior or that of Putin. Furthermore, one can make no excuse for Putin's behavior - Putin is clearly a very bad person - a malignant narcissist willing to kill and happy to show off his power by attacking others. If Russia was a true democracy, this would be different. But it is not - it is a violent bully state, constantly and intentionally causing trouble and death around the world - as evil as it was in the days of the USSR.

Yes, the situation in the Ukraine is complex, and neither side is blameless. But the excuse that ethnicity justifies the violent secession of part of a republic and its accession to greater Russia is no different from and no more valid than those used by the Nazi's in the build-up to WW-II.


reader Luboš Motl said...

Look, it is a difficult conflict, like most others, and no side is innocent. On the other hand, yes, of course that I consider shooting down Maidan airplanes over New Russia to be a completely understandable and morally justifiable defense.


The Russians have lived there for many, many centuries, and it has always been a country that is officially partly Russian. They have at least the same right to determine who enters the government as the angry unemployed people in Kiev or Lviv.


reader Luboš Motl said...

I've embedded the video a few days ago.


reader papertiger0 said...

Of course you did. It's a full time job keeping up with Lubo Motl, and I only have part time to do it.


Forgive me.


reader Luboš Motl said...

Mystery is spelled with an "Y". I don't see how your video "proves" something any more accurately than e.g. this article "proves" that it had to be done by Kiev:

http://rt.com/news/173636-buk-malaysian-plane-crash/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome


reader cynholt said...

This is going to be volleyed back and forth between Russia and the US
and the only moral of the story is don't fly commercial over a war zone.


reader papertiger0 said...

Listening to us you think?


Maybe they listened to you, but I have it on good authority Malaysian's don't read the comment sections.


reader ny-ktahn said...

Sometimes a lot of things happen in the background, usually unknown* ; Its fun to speculate but making hastened decisions to assume assertiveness** and clear thought can be quite damaging, especially if these decisions can affect stability. "MAD" was borne out of the mind of a depressed guy but is very real and surprisingly guarantees peace. [There is no hidden message in this comment- Threats are overrated]


reader anna v said...

careful of the Nazi label. Seems to me the regime in Kievo is supported by an explicitly Nazi faction, which, amaziningly has the support of EU and US. Boomerangs.


reader anna v said...

Do bombers fly at 30.000 feet? It is probably due to the inexperience of the russophils , it they are responsible; like apprentice magicians having gotten hold of the broom. I have empathy for the plight, and I agree that it is the criminal responsibility of airlines flying over a war zone where heat searching missiles are used.


reader Leo Vuyk said...

No but Spy planes do. So? a horrible mistake of the Ukrain army?


reader Shannon said...

The things some airlines are doing to reduce their fuel consumption!...


reader Eric said...

Should one also avoid having satellites fly over eastern Ukraine? Would the rebels be entitled to shooting them down as well? What is the limiting altitude at which these acts of war are OK?


reader Oleg said...

I see a number of people find it irresistible to jump to conclusions. It will surely take some time before any trustable info on the incident emerges (the net is flooded with fakes). The general prosecutor of Ukraine claims that the 'separatists' _do not_ possess the necessary BUK missiles (Ukranian Pravda, in Russian):

http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2014/07/18/7032278/

Furthemore, the pro-Kiev forces have multiple BUK stations around Donetsk and the Ukranian air defense system was engaged when the plane was downed (this has been documented):

http://rt.com/news/173784-ukraine-plane-malaysian-russia/

Let's wait and see if the real truth will ever be allowed to surface.


reader cynholt said...

My heart sank on seeing this.

We must wait for the evidence, and every premature attempt to pin this on Russia or the Donbas resistance must be loudly contradicted down in every forum.

The US press is already hard at work spinning this tragedy into an excuse to allow West Ukrainian Nazis to kill even more people on the ground.

And people are absolutely right to be suspicious of all sorts of scenarios here. The CIA is running the show in the Ukraine, and will stop at nothing to secure victory there. There is no twisted act of violence too immoral - as they have proved time and time again.


reader BobSykes said...

The shoot-down is almost certainly an accident committed by troops on a hair-trigger. And that is exactly the point. We are close to a European war. The US/EU should be seeking was to defuse the crisis, yet they seem to be aggravating it with name-calling and pointless sanctions.


reader cynholt said...

Yeah, Putin really had something to gain by shooting down a passenger plane, didn't he? Cui Bono?

Yeah, the US CIA machine didn't support the coup that took out the democratically elected and pro-Russian president of Ukraine and then didn't install a puppet in the interim. Nah, that never happened either, did it?


reader Luboš Motl said...

Dear Oleg, exactly...

Some people are very fast and immediately believe everything they want to believe. For example, this is the expert that MSNBC chose to be most trustworthy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEDH2Z2_6Zw



Holy cow. And this woman is a good representative of those who are actually making decisions in the U.S. these days.


reader Luboš Motl said...

It's a completely wrong question. What decides about satellites' being OK above the territory or not isn't whether it's "OK" but whether 1) it's possible to change the trajectories of the satellites, 2) whether the parties of the de facto civil war are able to shoot the satellites down.



Your idiotic, irresponsible thinking is exactly the sort of thinking that made people send the airplanes over the warzone. Ukraine wanted money from the permissions that allows them to fly there, and they wanted to save some gasoline. They would ignore the risk because they would say "it is not OK to shoot down airplanes".


But whether it's OK or not, it is rather likely that airplanes are shot down over the warzone. *This* is what matters. The shooting down was probably an accident and it wasn't the goal to shoot down Dutch civilians but even if the shooter had wanted that, it doesn't really affect the rational thinkiing of those who are deciding whether airplanes may be sent over there. They shouldn't have.


Concerning the technical part of the satellite questions, I don't think that either side has any capability to shoot down satellites. But I am pretty sure that if the Kiev junta had such a capability, they would indeed be shooting down Russian satellites by now. I don't know which satellites would be being shot by the ethnic Russian fighters. Ukraine probably doesn't have its own satellites, does it? Maybe some of them would already be shooting down U.S. satellites. But it's not really within their abilities.


reader John Archer said...

SBU intercepts phone conversations of separatists admitting downing a civilian plane (FULL TRANSCRIPT; VIDEO)

I got the above link from here, Ukraine: the fate of MH17, where there's more:
"With the Russians, the Ukranians and the militiamen all fielding the same weaponry, though, proving whose finger was on the trigger may prove harder - unless, of course, the 'phone intercepts prove genuine. And even then, that leaves open the possibility of the incident being a ghastly accident."

My guess is that the probability of it being a very unfortunate accident is extremely high.

One might toy with the idea of it being a cynical ploy—that one side shot the plane down in order to blame the other—but since they all seem to have access to these weapon systems then that could easily backfire. So no, it's unlikely to be that.

I agree with Luboš very strongly that the people responsible for plotting and allowing that flight path should be up on charges.


reader Luboš Motl said...

Dear John, maybe it's real, maybe it's not. The militia says that the conversation is an "amateurish fake".

http://rt.com/news/173744-putin-ukraine-plane-russia/


reader John Archer said...

Dear Luboš,

OK. Who knows what games are being played here? I certainly don't.

Let's wait and see. I have no wish to jump to conclusions either way.


reader Luboš Motl said...

Dear Ivan, I am no spokesman or employee of the Kremlin, so even if Putin says that the fascist junta in Ukraine is OK, I still enjoy all the rights to point out that it is an illegitimate junta and its supporters are despicable immoral scum.


reader Tea for 330 million said...

With two combat jets shot down over the same area, why the airspace wasn't closed is completely beyond me.


reader Tea for 330 million said...

Couldn't resist adding this.


reader Eric said...

My point is that the civilian aviation did not know that rebels had the capability to strike planes. The fact that they stole this equipment from Ukraine is getting documented only now.


The plane, by the way, was using a route 200 km North of its usual one because of the Ukraine-Russia dispute over Crimean airspace.


reader cynholt said...

Just like the "Justus" department and the police state, proclaim a person's guilt, then discuss the investigation. Good thing we don't have anything like the presumption of innocence any longer.


reader cynholt said...

Absolutely nothing we hear from Mainstream Media can be expected to have any basis in truth. That's especially true about any conflict zone in the world where the US or NATO is even remotely involved, which is everywhere. All the time. You only need to ask who does it serve and follow the money and keep in mind that inconceivably dirty tricks are common in US foreign policy.

Believe nothing, consider all possibilities no matter how unthinkable they may seem.


reader TomVonk said...

Even without accurate military knowledge about the details there is enough information to make a few founded conclusions
1) The plane has been shot down by a Buk missile because the portable available AAA missiles don`t have a 10k efficient range.
2) I have read and heard that the separatists captured Buk systems on former Ukrainian AAA basis.
3) As the Buk has a 20 k range, the battery couldn`t just be anywhere. It had to be at less than 17 k from the ground projection of the CIVIL air corridor. But at 17 k the fire window would have been a few seconds what wouldn`t do. So the battery had to sit pretty exactly on the projection of the CIVIL air corridor where the fire window is about 2 min.
4) As 2 min is too short, that means that the battery had to be at place, deployed, systems tested and fire ready hour(s) before the plane flew over. This in turn shows that the assault was premeditated. If somebody thinks that a fire ready AAA battery just happens to be deployed in the middle of nowhere that happens to be a projection of the civil air corridor then he needs to buy a brain.
.
5) Most importantly everybody can take Google earth and trace a 17 k quarter circle around the impact (axis of the quarter circle = plane direction). With certainty the battery was inside this quarter circle. Now this whole area is deep inside the separatist controlled region what excludes ukrainian (or russian) forces.
.
That`s why IF the plane was shot down (what is not yet established but they already found the black boxes so that it is a matter of days before we know) then it stands beyond any reasonable doubt that the murderers are the separatists.
.
The "choice"of the plane is also not innocent. It wouldn`t do if it was full of russians or chinese. And strangely it was not ....


reader sirernestbarker said...

Hi WSJ reported that airspace was closed (restricted) up to 32,000 feet (expanded to all altitudes after the crash).


reader John Rennie said...

It's nice to get a name check, but the only reason I'm approaching Luboš's score on the Physics SE is because I answer so many questions. Even my mother would have to concede we're not in the same league. In any case, getting 30 upvotes for a picture of a fly's foot (http://physics.stackexchange.com/a/37773/1325) shows you shouldn't take the Stack Exchange score too seriously :-)

For anyone interested enough in Physics to read Luboš's blog I can highly recommend the Physics SE as a learning experience. I am (well, was) a colloid scientist and up until five years ago all I knew about GR was how to spell Einstein's name. Now I can answer questions on the Schwarzschild and FRW metrics and occasionally get the answer right. I just wish the Physics SE had been around when I was a spotty youth in the 70s.


reader Eric said...

It seems Barack Obama read you point number 5... So maybe this blog IS followed by unexpected persons, after all...


reader Oleg said...

It's within the range of 3 pro-Kiev Бук stations
(range up to 35 or 45 km depending on whether it's M1 or M1-2) and 2 C-200 stations (range 160 km). It could also be shot down by an air-air missile (there are reports of spotting jets nearby).


reader mesocyclone said...

That some of the government's supporters are Neo-Nazis doesn't change the fact that Putin not only acts like on, but has the power of a nuclear armed country.

Neither side is perfect. However, the rebels are acting against international law, and are backed by a very evil regime - Putin's. Now they have killed 300 foreign civilians. They need to be put down.


reader anna v said...

A yes, the evil empire and the lily white hands of the west who just want to spread sweetness and light.

Grow up. There are international interests mainly about energy and other resources dressed up in evil empire / angel empire clothes. There are no innocents in this game.

The main fault for the accident lies in whoever decided it was safe to fly over a war zone.


reader thejollygreenman said...

Lubos, they are all bloody mad! See this article from the Daily Mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2697098/THREE-HUNDRED-planes-scheduled-fly-Ukraine-day-MH17-tragedy.html



This is proof that we are living in a madhouse!


reader vladimir.dvorak said...

Ty ses strasna svine, Motle.


reader vladimir.dvorak said...

Přečti si Souostroví Gulag, ty kryple, abys věděl, koho se zastaváš, vymrdaná hlavo.


reader maznak said...

I think that the Ukrainian government can be pardoned for not expecting the "activists" being able to shoot down planes at 33k feet altitude. I know many "activists" but I suspect none of them could achieve such feat. Irony aside, I consider the audios ("ptichku sbili") very likely to be genuine. If they are fake, they were done by world class director and actors in close to zero time. The most likely truth is, Putin is waging dirty proxy war in mortal fear of the bottom up politics virus spreading from Ukraine to his Empire.


reader Wondering said...

I think primitive imbeciles kill people. Primitives say it is wrong to kill people. And imbeciles talk about killings as if they were justified.


reader maznak said...

nice prescient analysis http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/12/europes-next-war/#.U8lyE_kFCqw.facebook


reader John McVirgo said...

It's public knowledge that John Rennie went to Cambridge university in the UK, got a PhD (theoretical chemistry?), worked as a theoretical chemist in industry. I'd say this trivially qualifies him to moderate questions on PSE.

You say:

"John Rennie is now among the worst incompetent overreaching closevoters..."

Come on, ditch the modesty for once and tell us what professional qualifications you have that allows you to make that sort of judgement about someone like Dr Rennie ;)


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reader mesocyclone said...

Agreed that nobody is completely innocent,.

But, any serious observer can recognize that Russia is far more evil than the US or EU these days.


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reader Curious George said...

Masked freedom fighters routinely shoot down planes flying at 33,000 feet. Anna, you used to be reasonable.


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reader lukelea said...

To say Russia is "far more evil than the US or EU" are today is a long way from saying it is "as evil as it was in the days of the USSR."


reader lukelea said...

I agree with John Archer: almost certainly an accident. And probably committed by an idiot.


reader mesocyclone said...

I agree


reader Casper said...

Sadly the somewhat disappointing Abbott is reading from the script provided to him by his US puppetmasters. According to the local right-wing newspaper, which contains headlines such as "Russian imperialism reaps a bloody harvest", Abbott is said to "have gone further than any other world leader in pointing the finger at Russia for the "murder" of 298 people".

No news yet in the newspaper about the claim that for the previous 10 flights the Malaysian Airlines planes were flying a more southerly route over the Sea of Asov. Apparently the downed plane was flying 300miles off course to the north taking it directly over Donetsk.


reader papertiger0 said...

I looked it up. B-52's have a flight ceiling over 50,000 ft.


They don't say different for newer planes. It's always over ~50k. Probably the real number is a secret.


reader anna v said...

if what you say is true the air way control responsibles should by taken to the Hague, for allowing civil flights on air space where planes are routinely shot down by masqued freedom fighters.


reader anna v said...

Your 4) . The philorussians might have set it up towards the corridor on information that Kiev would use it as a camouflage for raid planes? All is fair in love and war.

There may be wheels within wheels here. "give them false information that you will use the corridor and allow civilian planes in the corridor".


reader Luboš Motl said...

Dear Dilaton, I haven't noticed any of the bad things that you seem to say about John. We seem to be visiting different servers.


reader Luboš Motl said...

It's stunning if Tomonaga wrote those things because they are completely wrong.


"The second quantization" is a term - possibly misleading term - for a construction whose result is a completely standard quantum theory, quantum field theory, that obeys all the general postulates of quantum mechanics including the linearity of the Hilbert space and linearity of all the operators including the Hamiltonian dictating the evolution, of course.


Quantum field theory has a different algebra of observables, i.e. different natural organizations of the Hilbert space and the interpretation of individual state vectors, but the overall rules of QM are completely unchanged.


reader Dilaton said...

This qualifies him to closevote tons of good higl-level theoretical physics questions for SE political reasons? SE political reasons means that the questions do have to be useful for the large hordes of non-expert external googlers, whereas what the local community of students and physicists likes is completely irrelevant. This is not made up by me but the official SE goal, and since the elections 2012 it is rigorosly installed on Physics SE too ..

The site is choked by a large overhead of SEpolitical bureacratic rules that legitimate the crowd of most active and dominant closevoters to shoot down questions about topics they have no technical knowledge in. And be sure they do ...

I am anonymous in most online discussions because I want that what I do and say is judged by its content independent from any superficial criteria. What is right or wrong is independent from WHO said or does it.

And judging high-level questions even tbough one has no technical knowledge about the topic for non physics reasons is wrong wrong wrong and wrong. On MathOwerflow and even on Math SE such an overreaching behavior is frowned upon! Whereas on Physics SE this is the working mode of the dominant closevoters...

I absolutely dont trust them and would never in my life post a question there to have it judged or even shot down for SE political reasons by people who have no clue about the topic I am Sking about


reader cynholt said...

I do in some sense agree with you, Anna. The first and worst crime was "Who
sent this plane right over an active Anti-Aircraft and Aircraft war
zone." It is a proven fact than missiles were being launched and planes
shot down in this airspace. It was known that a red hot situation was
going on with Ukraine, Russia and the Rebels all on hair trigger alert. So we
fly into this with a commercial jet?



That is question # one, and someone needs to be strung up and hanged for this.


reader cynholt said...

On the surface that sounds plausible, but dig a bit deeper and then ask, what did the Rebels use to shoot the plane down with? The Rebels have NO radar complex or mobile radar unit for the BUK. They have only one missile launcher captured from Kiev's forces and WITHOUT any radar unit. So this story lacks ability. Only the Ukrainian army has the missile launchers and radars to have engaged this plane. You can't shoot down a plane at that altitude and speed without a fire control system in place.


reader John McVirgo said...

What's your highest academic qualification?


What's your profession?


I'm not asking you to reveal who you are with a CV, just to help me understand better why I see John Rennie doing a competent effortless job in moderating questions fairly, whereas you don't.


reader Dilaton said...

Ok yes, John is not the worst closevoter and recently he seems to do fewer reviews anyway. There are others like Brandon Enright who even writes in his profile that he does not much know about physics, which does not prevent him to close questions about CFT, TFT, QFT, etc he has clearly no clue about. Or there is Kyle Kanos, who arrogantly and rudely talks down people who are much more knowledgeable about the topic of a questions he argues very vocally against, etc etc ...

http://meta.physics.stackexchange.com/q/5881/2751

Even if I were a street cleaner, this would not take out the trueness of it when I say that on a physics site, who wants to be at least slightly serious, the right attitude is to refrain from judging questions (in particularly negative for non-physics reasons) about topics one has no technical clue about.

A good moderator does not have to be knowledgeable about all of the most advanced topics at a technical level, but when it comes to decide about important things, he would listen to what the expersts on the site say if needed. So yes, under this premise John Rennie could be a good moderator too...

Anyway, Physics SE will most probably settle down to a popular level site in the end, which is also in better agreement with the SE goal of the site being useful for a large general audience of not even registered Googlers.

I am no longer moderating questions there since quite some time (when looking for good high-level questions I sometimes press leave-open when the button is near and I am in a mood for it). What I used to when still systematically moderating questions, is fighting wind mills by trying to protect good high-level technical questions or reverting bad closures. About keeping out low-level stuff I had given up quite early...


reader Ethan O'Connor said...

Once we leave the isopotential surface, or course, dilation is easy to measure after a few clicks on ebay. The result of two days spent at 1600m:

http://leapsecond.com/great2005/


reader timeless said...

"time" doesn't exist


reader TeeZee said...

Richard Feynman: "[The double slit experiment is] a phenomenon which is impossible to explain in any classical way, and which has in it the heart of quantum mechanics. In reality, it contains the only mystery [of quantum mechanics].".....and yet the bouncing droplet experiments reproduce this phenomenon in an entirely classical way.


reader Luboš Motl said...

Apologies, this kind of stupidity is too much so this was your last comment on my blog.


reader TeeZee2 said...

Thanks for the equally stupid reply.