## Tuesday, January 27, 2015 ... /////

### Czech president: a UNSC raid needed to erase ISIS from the face of Earth

Exactly 70 years ago, on January 27th, 1945, the worst extermination camp in the world history, Auschwitz, was liberated by the Red Army. Many politicians who came to that place have completely misunderstood the fact that the main official commemorative ceremonies actually don't take place in Poland but in Czechia – in Prague and Terezín, a smaller concentration camp – where they are organized by Moshe Kantor's ECJ (European Jewish Congress).

At the end, the two different ceremonies didn't overlap because they were remembering different events. In Czechia, people were remembering the war started by Nazi Germany and the liberation of the camp by the USSR. In Poland, they were recalling the Second World War according to Mr Yatsenyuk in which Russia invaded Germany and Auschwitz was liberated by Ukraine, troops from Lvov and Zhitomir.

The attendants were not overlapping, either. No top officials from Moscow were invited to Poland because Moscow didn't have anything to do with the liberation of Auschwitz according to the history favored by the Polish event. On the other side, the Czech events were attended e.g. by the Czech president Zeman, the Slovak president Kiska, and by Mr Yakunin, Zeman's friend and the boss of Russian railways who is on sanctions lists of some irrelevant countries (the U.S. and Australia).

Zeman has said "JeSuisJew". In fact, Zeman pointed out that he was one of the six million Jews who were killed during the Holocaust. If you appreciate that aside from a viral infection, he had also been dead for 70 years, you must agree that he exhibited a surprisingly good stability while visiting the Czech crown jewels. You understand why Zeman admires Winston Churchill so much, don't you? ;-)

The murderous clowns spreading the brand ISIS have urged their soulmates to launch new attacks against Europe. You could think that we are just accepting the hits and never respond.

However, fortunately, Europe has Zeman. ;-) So Zeman has called for an international military operation against ISIS.

According to the current boss of the Prague Castle, ISIS is now analogous to Nazi Germany of the early 1930s. The aggressiveness and ideologies are similar. These Islamist folks have to be stopped. Who should do the job? The job should be done at least by all the member states of the current United Nations Security Council.

This military operation may be needed to save the world from the supersymmetric Holocaust, or super-Holocaust for short, in which hundreds of millions of people may be murdered, he argued.

The territory of ISIS assuming that the world won't listen to Zeman. :-D

You may feel some irony in between the lines that your humble correspondent has written down. But my feelings are mixed and I mostly tend to agree with Zeman. I do think that ISIS – the simple idea to recreate as huge an Islamic empire as possible using the tools available in the early 21st century – is very simple, probably very catchy for many people of a certain kind, likely to grow, and underestimated by most others.

It is not hard to guess that such a proposal may be a bit controversial. How many people agree and disagree with Zeman's recommendation?

Well, the Czech minister of foreign affairs, a jerk named Mr Zaorálek, thinks that Zeman's words are nonsense. Zaorálek defends the widespread naive idea that it should be or it will be the other Muslims who will be most active in fighting against the Muslim radicals. This idea is silly, of course: all Muslims are extremely close to each other and the opinion that there is some huge, war-like tension between the radical and other Muslims, whatever the separation between them is supposed to be, just doesn't correspond to the reality.

However, you may be surprised to learn that the Czech minister of defense, Mr Stropnický (a TV actor doing politics for ANO/YES, the billionaire's party), actually agrees with Zeman and argues that ISIS is a problem that affects all the major U.N. members including Russia and China so all these countries should act together.

The big countries should send their soldiers; Czech politicians and generals may volunteer as the commanders during the raid. ;-)

His contribution may be wise or counterproductive but I think that it's good that in my homeland, such serious topics may be discussed and people are not immediately character assassinated and humiliated when they express an opinion that may be politically incorrect.

In September 2014, Bill O'Reilly (who is, at 193 cm, 1 cm taller than Zeman) recommended the U.S.-led coalition to hire mercenaries in order to flatten ISIS and fight jihadists accross the world. He was heavily criticized, mainly by the Left (e.g. by Stephen Colbert) but not only by the Left, even though his opponents didn't have real arguments, as far as I can say. Bill O'Reilly's viewers mostly agreed with him.

Some people say that it's unethical to hire mercenaries to kill others. Why? Perhaps because the other side may do it, too?

Independently of discussions about ISIS, I surely do agree with O'Reilly's comments about unconstructive critics who don't have any viable competing ideas. (That doesn't mean that I didn't find Colbert's show funny.)

My view is that killing is always ethically problematic. But which behavior of leaders of a country is more ethical? To send drafted boys or troops who could have had a safer job, or the hired guns? I think that it's much more ethical to send hired guns because the contract between the Western government and the mercenaries is consensual. In spite of all the emotional patriotic words that are often said in such situations, imposing the "duty to die for your country" on young innocent boys is much worse ethically, I think.

Moreover, I do think that it's likely to improve the world if money helps a side of the conflict to win. Why? Simply because I believe that the more peaceful, civilized, and constructive part of the world does have more money. I am sure that various leftists will disagree but they are wrong. One of the reasons why people in the West have more money is that they spend more time by figuring a way to earn money – which is "almost the same thing" as to do something that is useful for other people – instead of inventing ways how to hurt or kill others, whether it's because of personal egotist or religious reasons.

Maybe Bill O'Reilly and Zeman should meet somewhere, unite their plans, and complete the missing details so that the raid against the jihadists may start as soon as possible.

And this was only a semi-joke: I am mostly serious.

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I think you're right when you say that there is no war within the Muslim world between the radicals on the 'moderate' ones. Furthermore, I think that the Charlie Hebdo shooting was not an act of revenge for blasphemous cartoons of Muhammad - it was not perpetrated out of rage, but rather carefully and consciously planned with a single goal in mind - to expose the Muslim observers around the world to the content of Charlie Hebdo and show how 'degenerated', 'sacrilegious' and hostile toward Islam the Western civilization is. What must be understood is that jihadists don't care if the 'infidels' are afraid or not of insulting their faith - it makes no difference to them whether mocking cartoons appear or not in newspapers, since their goal is to obliterate the West anyway. Radicals are fighting for the souls of their fellow moderate Muslims of which there are millions in the world. It was not an act of terrorism (in the strict sense), but propaganda.
Not undertaking military actions against ISIS is an open invitation for further aggression. Nothing escalates violence more than actions which are defiant, provocative (e.g. the whole 'I am Charlie' hysteria that ensued) and cowardly at the same time.

An interesting video: Saudi iman celebrating victory in the western self-censorship: "Many of these newspapers reconsidered the publishing of the cartoons. ...The sword is more truthful than the book. Its cutting edge separates sincerity from jest. It is the whiteness of the blade, rather than the blackness of the book’s ink, that dismisses any uncertainty or doubt. When they faced death… This is the language these Jewish and Christian infidels understand..." http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/saudi-imam-after-charlie-hebdo-murders-many-papers-abandoned-free-speech And the delirious discourse that America was discovered by Muslims, not by Columbus, as also the president of Turkey said some weeks ago.

The only conflicts that I can recall mercenaries being used were Angola and Mozambique. Neither of those resulted in a positive outcome. They're both still one party commie whore states, with a little bit of window dressing.

We could save the money and just stop sending UN food trucks and medical vendors for the beheading.

ISIS and Klimate Kaos want a little Lebensraum, and freedom from people who are disqualified from criticizing for thinking otherwise. Support evolution - shoot back.

If violence was not the answer, you did not use enough of it -Japanese surrender versus. Korean armistice. ISIS is not suing for peace, ISIS is kicking ass. Begin by beheading Guantanamo prisoners and burying them in freshly hollowed pigskins.

Salafism and Wahhabism is a sincere search for answer to a question:
They have been told that Muslims are the best and smartest. But they note that they have not conquered the world.
Muhammad and his early descendants conquered thousands of kilometers.
His solution to the riddle is therefore:
Reject any religious innovation and stick to the letter of the Koran and sharia, as those early Muslims.
It is a misunderstanding. Maybe would be solved letting them know simply they are pretty silly, not the smaters.

If their theologians seek truth maybe would be willing to IQ contest or competition, choosing random people in certain countries. Problem solved:)

In the unlikely case that they do not accept the irrefutable evidence themselves previously would have agreed:
Plan B: The Iron Age had not many contemplations with age of bronze or stone, and is a moral obligation for the future of humanity remove that rabble. Czech president is right, and there are big problems with Islamists in Russia, China and the West. it would be good collaboration, the replacement for international space station ISS, destroy ISIS and similar swines.

I guess lot of people from Czechia participated in The First Crusade ;-)

This sounds like a fun idea. Let's all go in with Force Zeman!

The Japanese wanted to be Americans or at least on the cutting edge of modernity anyhow. So knocking off the vestige of their warlord feudal system, they were already down with that.
Democracy and free enterprise where not a hard sell with Japan.

Muslims are going to be a little more hard nosed about the thing. I doubt they much about Gitmo alumni.

I know you consider yourself a learned person, however, what you write is utter rubbish. Could you please Google and learn some history so that you may not degrade yourself since there are many smart people, reading this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

"since their goal is to obliterate the West anyway"

How do you propose they can do it? What will be their strategic and tactical plans?

These claims where proposed by western scholars.

http://www.amazon.com/Africa-Discovery-America-Leo-Wiener/dp/1617590029

even before that a Muslim scholar hypothesized the existence of the american continents.

http://www.historytoday.com/s-frederick-starr/so-who-did-discover-america

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab%C5%AB_Ray%E1%B8%A5%C4%81n_al-B%C4%ABr%C5%ABn%C4%AB

He was also an expert on all major world religions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_movement

Got better things to do, but if by chance I ever need an interpreter to untangle the names of 3rd or 4th magnitude stars I know where, if not who, to call.

constitute less than 0.5 percent of the world's 1.9 billion Muslims

also

"However, those who take their actions beyond the limits of the shari'ah (such as terrorist attacks against civilians) are seen as deviant and not true Salafis"

you also wrote most inaccurate statement

" Muhammad and his early descendants"

his descendants where most disfavored(actually slaughtered, that is how Shia' sect was born) by the subsequent rulers that did the actual conquering with the help of the people of the new lands acquired.

ISIS is kicked out of Kobani:

Sounds like they are losing to the kurds.

Well, let me save you some time. Islam was the first true democracy in the human history. All the first four rulers were elected by people and the the word Khalif means the successor, not king (Malik in arabic meaning the owner) or emperor.

As to free enterprise, the commerce of humans since the down of history has been as such.

Explain it to them.

As for the current Islam in general (not only terrorists) seems outrageous than even the more secular/democratic muslim countries like Indonesia the polls show 30% in favor of stoning adulteresses, 40% of killing apostates. (While in others as Jordan or Egypt rises to 85%) http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2003/10/how-many-islamists

Do you not think sincerely there is a serious problem in today's Islam according to these figures?

If you doubt the numbers I can show you other sources.

And we are not talking about other centuries, which incidentally also were often crushed by fundamentalist currents. It seems a constant. (I know the case of Spain: Almoravids and Almohads that swept away what could have science or art in their coreligionists to which they considered infidels, They spend centuries and worse.)

I'm wondering why these ancient followers of Mo with, the advantages of original texts and political theories from Greek philosophers, ended up the pathetic disgrace they are today?

Something in the water maybe?

I vaguely remember something about a Bohemian King driving out the Muslim horde, saving Christendom as the mosselmen threatened to subjugate all of Europe.
That would have been before the crusades.

I doubt that you want a serious discussion. but here is a start.

http://dergiler.ankara.edu.tr/dergiler/42/448/5039.pdf

In my country a population of 4 million there are 700,000 Hindus and Buddhist( Idol worshipers!!!) and maybe another million or so Christians(Philippines , Europeans, Indians, Arabs....)

Do you want to give me statistics about the place that I live in.

I would say your memory is blank rather than vague. Please come up with a reference from Google and I will donate $1000 to Wikipedia. reader papertiger0 said... As if I'd help those aholes out. reader papertiger0 said... So you've lost the favor of God with your decadence and laziness. Maybe if you beat your head on the ground a little harder. reader QsaTheory said... My interpretation is different. Once a man or a nation loses pride, then like a weak body, it will be attacked by the viruses, germs and fungus. reader QsaTheory said... As for pedophile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage But I know you are are not really trying to understand. reader Shannon said... Turkish are very unhappy about that. Erdogan doesn't want a free Kurdistan in northern Syria. reader Alex said... They probably didn't find Larry and Curly Joe. reader Peter F. said... To use professional and willing military personnel to as completely and precisely as possible murder people who are committed to murder every other human not holding on to the same insane religious beliefs as they do, seems to me perfectly justified. reader KN said... Well, Sobieski (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_III_Sobieski) wasn't exactly a Bohemian King (and not exactly before the Crusades), but one of three is not all bad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna ($300 will do, I guess).

But here is the catch 22. It has to be done and over with in a big hurry. The next election will sweep in the enablers and socialists, and that will be the end of whatever operation you launch, whatever target you pick.

Better idea is not even to start. Deport the compliant muslims in your midst. End your own governments subsidies of the murderers. That's a winning strategy.

Peter - you would have to pay the professionals, throwing good money away, and the result would be more angry "moderate" muslims cheering for the beheading types.

If you want to drive a wedge between the "moderate Islam" and the vicious kidnapping killer Islam what you do is attack the moderates. Break their stuff. Make them nervous about who they're cheering for.

Then you'll get the result you are after.

Muslim moderates that are professional soldiers would help, since they are among those being targeted by those that would (ideally) be most decisively dealt with. ;-)

This happened 700 hundred years later. I would say you won 50 cents at most.

google "medicinal applications of camel urine" and you will find what the islamic scientific community is up to., while you comment here.
The wonders of MERS, brought to the rest of the world.
Camel pee...is there anything it can't do?

ummmthere were the greek city states, who like islamic people CENTURIES later, held slaves, denied the vote to women and on and on.

Unfortunately the Kurds are also in the throes of equaltardery. The YPG and PKK have up to 40 percent women at arms.

Well they are certainly the lesser evil. Better to get rid of the genocidal ISIS then deal with the equaltardary while they are still alive as a result of their victory.

I will not engage in these childish comments, the youtube style for the have nothing else to do.

I did not say that Islam created a Utopia, just some simple facts to inform.

you did however plainly write that islam was the home of the first democracies...ironically, an english word with a Greek origin. So your claim is simply incorrect.
Now, if you choose to ignore the fact that while the rest of the world has moved on, the house of saud still funds research into the medicinal applications of camel urine, that the practice of drinking unpasteurized camel urine throughout the middle east is responsible for the presence of MERS in the human population, and that nonislamic people have died as a result of islamic people engaging in this practice, then youre simply unwilling to confront the reality of islamic culture today.
FGM, the execution of adulterers...the crucifixion of christians, all part of the umma. Soon playing out on a street corner near you.

I could use a straw man like you the Jews who crucified the christian GOD, but I won't. So stop the straw man.

QSA:

You continue to defend a culture that subjugates women, requires nonbelievers to pay a tribute tax, that denies others the freedom of worship...that is responsible for virtually none of the advances in science or technology that you enjoy today, that countenances the mutilation of girls... give us all a break.

For you edification, I provide you with a quote from Khomeini's opus "A Clarification of Questions":

#2631. It is loathsome to eat the meat of horse and mule and donkey and if somebody makes coitus with them, that is an intercourse, they become unlawful and they must be taken out of the city and sold elsewhere.

#2632. If they have intercourse with a cow and sheep and camel their urine and dung becomes unclean and drinking their milk will also be unlawful and they must be killed and burned without delay, and the person who had intercourse with them must pay money to the owner. Further, if he had intercourse with any beast its milk becomes unlawful.

Would you buy a used goat or sheep from one of these guys? I think not.

uh..only it was the romans who crucified the jew, jesus...you were the one to claim democracy for islam...democracy, a word of greek origin, a form of government practiced millennia before the birth of islam.
your claim is out for all to read. clearly incorrect, chauvinistic, incorrect still.

Titan, I don't know what "equaltardery" is (I'm Francophone).

US don't like lesser evil. Too complicated. They prefer full fledge evil. If djihadists could eat their deads it would be even better for them. They need to use them as their indirect army to massacre the lesser evil... .who are still evil anyway.

Daesh (ISIS) are the US's war subcontractors. Who needs robots, drones or air force ? So passé... and much cheaper.

I defend neither Islam( I am hardly what you would call a Muslim) nor cultural follies. But what I am against is to use historical and some cultural malpractice to paint a picture for a political purpose like a political terrorist. Today's Muslim societies are just like all others on earth, otherwise, how come millions of other people live with us.

It is clear that these false pictures are used for political purposes. Usually motivated by governments with agendas, racists, religious (christian fanaticism), atheist zealots, and not to mention Israel supporters. A powerful combination, but I think the majority of western people are smart and fair and not all war like.

Islam is just an ideology which as a matter of fact is rooted in your own Jewish tradition, and it has some good and bad interpretation.

All empires before Islam the rulers were from a dynasty, and the touted democracy of that time for other things was the usual norm for all the empires with relative differences.

It is in that sense that Islam came up with a democracy of today that the leader should be chosen by the people. And that is the essence of the conflict that arose in Islam after the four Caliphs and the Islamic empire reverted back to the old dynasty style.

it is at its heart a political belief system, on that depends on the submission and defeat of nonbelievers, as well as the subjugation and humiliation of women.
That you refuse to acknowledge these things and continue to claim for islam that which it clearly has no role in, like the birth of democracy, or freedom of speech or religion...is telling.

Maybe this is the cynic in me, but, by arming the terrorists in Syria then killing them in Iraq, it appears that US policy is to kill or have killed as many Muslims as possible. This certainly, at least, seems to be the policy of the brain dead neocons like McCain, Krystal, etc. Now the USG is asking for Iran to help stop ISIS. We'll probably be arming them next at the same time that the US and Israel are making plans to bomb them once the peace talks break down. You can't make this stuff up.

Why do you think ISIS are "mercenaries" and what do you really mean by that? You surely don't count them as mercenaries just because they're paid basic living expenses - every soldier would unavoidably be a mercenery then. But do you think they are getting some extra salary? Why? I am convinced they are true believers.

Members of the Islamic State are simply paid mercenaries, there is no state to give them even the color of law. This is a surrogate war. Syrians refuse to sell oil using dollars, so the OPEC nations must destroy them. They cannot declare war outright, so they hire mercenaries to invade Syria and murder entire towns of unarmed citizens. Any Christians caught by them are beheaded after being raped, or viewing their families rape, and then executed barbarically, and there are plenty of Christians in Syria. So you are wrong -- this is not about religion, or politics; it is about oil competition.

Much to your surprise, but not mine, ISIS has been bankrolled by Saudi Arabia, as well as other oil-exporting Gulf states. If you're still not convinced, read the evidence:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/14/america-s-allies-are-funding-isis.html

Since I am from kuwait, let me tell you my observation. In the early 60's the nationalist and shia's were seen as a threat to ruling family. So the government nationalized many Saudi beduins who are conservative( thinking that they will be loyal) to balance the other part of society. Also it played to their religious feeling by installing powerful religious institution with money power from banking and donations from unsuspecting population thinking the money is going for good deeds and not to the coffer of the unscrupulous "leaders" and unknown activities.

The government and "others" must have known that.

The support of Arab gulf to Syrian rebels of all kind came as a mixture of support for "sunni brothers" against Assad Alawi sect and some hate for Iran as ally of Assad. This is what the population was brain washed to believe, for all together another purpose.

But actually these rebels were fortified with all kind of people from thugs to criminals to some streetwise kids to foreign fighters. You know, money(even little) talks and bullshit walks. The black flag a big smoke screen.

Peter, they also kill other muslims, women and children, teenagers... I saw a dreadful video shot by a young Belgian djihadist... A nutcase. Perfectly peaceful muslims people killed by ISIS... These young djihadists never see their "bosses", they just receive messages where to go and bury the bodies... of their muslims brothers!! whom they say deserve this death.

Perhaps the Czechs should invade Norway first, maybe clear out Malmo in the process.

You seem to ignore what facts I state to you, I will repeat them hoping you listen this time.

In my area the gulf countries the most conservatives of Muslims live.

Yet, paradoxically(from your point of view) over 50% of our population are Infidels, they either worship some statue or christian faith. How come we invite these people to our land and they come of their own free will. And nobody is killing nobody.

And for hundred of years we have been trading and communicating and sharing habits, culture and what not. The Silk road is a prime example.

David you seem to be politically motivated, not interested in facts.

And lastly, of all the people on TRF you as a jew should be the most weary of such accusations and lies, need I say more. I don't mind you defending Israel, but such tactic to stegmatise whole people will burn you hard one day. Do to others as you would have them do to you.

you seem to ignore what you write.

O’Reilly is simplistic, to say the least. Getting rid of ISIS’ heavy weapons and vehicles would be easy from the air but dislodging them from Mosul is not feasible at all. It is five or six times larger than Fallujah, which was a bloody and awful campaign for our best troops.
There is not nearly enough political support in the US or elsewhere to attempt such a thing. House to house fighting with small arms in an urban area with a population approaching two million is just not going to happen. Not ever. Mercenaries, who, by definition, are in it for the money, would have to be totally crazy to sign up for such a suicide mission.
And, even if we did succeed militarily, we would depart only to see ISIS revive or be succeeded by something even worse. The military campaign and decades-long occupation would cost thousands more lives and several trillions of dollars. Those resources are not available.
Our 2003 invasion was a military success but it gave both al Quada and Iran an opportunity to expand their influence. Let’s not do it again.

I'm with you on this Gene.

On top of it, we and Euros spend so much on having our agencies snoop on us, if they would spend some of those resources on real internal terrorist threats, Charlie Hebdos (or Boston) could have been prevented.

That is clear to me, too. See my reply to papertiger0's reply if you want a proof. :-)

I know your conclusion is seriously incomplete!

worse - I don't know if that's the correct term. They're pretty much one trick ponies, which ever initials they happen to be marching under.

Good you are here, as you have a perspective that is more from 'the sociopolitical inside' than most of the rest of us who debate this dreadful mess in TRF can provide!

Egalitarianism that is what I was talking about. Especially blindness to sexual dimorphism. I agree with the rest of your comment

deal with the concept of dhimmi...the subjugation of women and non believers, the mutliation of girls, please.
really, enough of your equivocation and apologies for a morally bankrupt, abusive, retrograde belief system. it serves no no good to attempt to defend these barbarians.
Ive read the koran, the haditha, and youre, frankly full of it.
you can lie and dissemble to your heart's content, those who know the game are on to you and your lies.
GO back to the belly of the beast, and enjoy your submission before god. really.

there is no democracy in islam. any more than there is democracy in the roman catholic church...at least this clowns dont attempt to claim demmocracy as their own. you are simply full of effluvia.

Note, his post is supported by Shannon because he threw in "not to mention Israel supporters". All you have to do is spout a trigger word like "jew" or "zionist" or "Israel" and she is just like Pavlov's dog...

Yep. France and the other European countries are going to spend more money on internal threats. We can’t prevent all attacks but we can lessen them.

No, they are not. We may oppose all of them but they differ in many ways.

Yes, they are true believers but the intellectual depth of most of these young men is paper thin.

You are right. Most of the financial and “religious” backing comes from the Arabian Peninsula, as did the 9/11 attack. Most is from Yemen and Saudi Arabia but not all. We don’t need friends like these,

If you are killed by a mob in Pakistan or a mob in Libya. It's still the same amount of dead. Are you being tiresome on purpose?

And, when we are done exterminating ISIS and their clones OVER THERE, we need to take care of business at home.

Europe was saved when the Muslim invaders were turned back at Vienna in 1638. (as per the banner of this blog)

Same war today, just different tactics. And, thanks to the majority of idiots in charge, we appear to be losing this time.

1683 - I'm not dyslexic, though sometimes I'm dysthinkic :-)

Paranoid! maybe this will help

I wrote in "that sense". No democracy as we debate it today but just an early form such that the main leader is elected of a sort and not a dynasty. Also, that lasted for only few 10's of years then they went back to dynasty style, I think that was too advanced for the mentality of the people in those days.

David, I think this derogatory style of writing demeans you more than Islam. I told you I am not defending Islam, I am not what you call a good Muslim, However, Islam as a religion and its influence in creating a glorious civilization and the bad things that people did in its name are studied through out world universities as human heritage. Moreover, Islam today has been politicized for the benefits of many many parties, Muslims and non-Muslims.

Just go back 40 years and beyond ago and there was no talk about Islam . the Slogans and political Buzz words was different, like commies ... etc.

See this old Time magazine picture about Jamal abdulnasser president of Egypt before 1971. you could see the gun in the hand of the art of ancient Egypt drawings. It is all politics and you know it.

http://www.thegalerii.com/timecovers/sm_Nasser%208-27-56.jpg

One is not "paranoid" for acknowledging reality. Here a a few examples...

Saudi support for Jew-killing demons

Saudi king who loved the Nazis.

Islam = all evil all the time.

When you can't give evidence for Islam's positive contribution to the world (because there is none), link to something irrelevant. Muslim propaganda at it's finest.

right - it's almost as bad as if he wrote: "Prove Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization, and I'll donate \$1000 to it." I agree. No thanks.

It is well known to those who want to know that Saudi Arabia(house of Saud) has been a very very good ally of US for the past 70 years ever since its inception.

Moreover, today the politics is well known that KSA is working against Iran on behalf the US(and Israel by proxy).

The Arab population is so mad about KSA policy of no confrontation with Israel that even they were accused of being of Jewish origin, of course these are just conspiracy theories, but it just goes to show.

There are many propaganda sites, including ones about the "sinister" Jew, but I am not the youtube style commentator, sorry.

The Golden age of Islam needs no introduction for the intellectual type.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

Don't forget the miraculous Zam Zam water, holier than camel urine, and possibly more toxic.

You mean like posting a song from Youtube in place of factual argument? :-)

That was an opening to get you to relax. go read the reply.

You seem to be coming late to politics. There is enough material on the subject and it has been beaten to death and beyond.

We have a whole lot of "lessening" to do.

Islam in France.

Islam in the UK.

Islam in Sweden.

etc., etc., etc. And those are just the tip of the iceberg.

Actually, I just came from a two week travel to six cities in the Netherlands(now I have a Flu from walking the Amsterdam streets) and Germany, for medical checkup.

Just wonderful helpful people. Did not see any problem, saw some Muslims driving taxi and some doctors and nurses. Some ethnic restaurant owners and workers. So many McDonalds in Rotterdam, went to an Arabic dance club in Dusseldorf with hoards of young Germans partying next door.

I have also visited all the other cities you mention with similar seen.

Somebody remind me again why America came to the aid of "kuwait"(sic).

Also, here's some insight into why the Sunni Saudis see the Shiites "...as a threat to ruling family."

It's never too late to correct fundamental errors.

You are correct. I cannot at all understand how muslims consider this "normal."

"The Golden age of Islam needs no introduction"

No, but the misconceptions need major correction.

Muslims had a precious gem in their possession, and threw it away.

The only reason Muslim countries today enjoy any power is because of their oil wealth, which instead of using to make the world a better place, use it to finance the destruction of civilization.

It's not the loss of national pride, but the loss of a moral compass that leads to the victory of parasitic opportunists.

Because the US and Kuwait are allies. That is my point, if we are such bad people why does the US befriend us then! Kuwait was under the protection of UK from 1899(BEFORE OIL) and we had relations with colonial powers even earlier than that.

There are many local conflicts, I don't see what that has to do with the subject at hand.

There are many opinions about the history of Islam.

Your last paragraph shows an imaginable ignorance.

http://www.ocdasylum.com/ftpdir/TR_SIE_digital.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Organisation_of_Islamic_Cooperation

That's what we call a win/win situation.