Friday, February 21, 2014

Klaus, Weigl: on the situation in Ukraine

LM: I have never heard Klaus' thoughts on the political matters in Ukraine before I began to write down my impressions about it (newsletter with my remarks on that). Nevertheless, it just happens that I agree with 100% of his and his former chancellor's opinions.

VK+JW: political remark #18: on the situation in Ukraine

1. In its present form, Ukraine is – to a large extent – an artificially created entity that has only become an independent country thanks to the dissolution of the USSR two decades ago.

2. On one side, the country includes territories in the West that have never belonged to the Russian Empire (Subcarpathian Rus, Galicia, and others) and which were only annexed by Russia after the Second World War, territories influenced by the struggle for Ukraine's independence (including fighting on the Nazi side), and on the other side, there are territories whose character has been purely Russian since the 18th century (Crimea, Odessa, the East of the country) for which the independence of Ukraine meant the extraction from their original national entity.

3. A certain artificiality of this state entity and non-uniform visions of its inhabitants about the future and desirable evolution have paralyzed the political life of this country since the very beginning. We could see it very well even from Prague. The situation was also negatively contributed to by the badly done transformation of the country, the burden of its heritage of communism, as well as the economic and political chaos of the last 20 years.

4. Ukraine has remained and it couldn't have "not remained" a country that is deeply economically rooted in the post-Soviet realm, one that is connected to and in many respects dependent on Russia. It's natural and there exists no simple way to change it.

5. For Russia, Ukraine is more than another neighbor, more than e.g. Estonia, Tajikistan, or Azerbaijan. It is the historical cradle of its statehood and its culture as well as the home of tens of millions of Russians.

6. In this situation, the vision held by some people in Europe, apparently including many leaders of the EU, current representatives of the Czech Republic, and especially political activists that it is possible to allow for a contest about the future evolution of Ukraine and to wage a war about its convergence with the West or the East, is overlooking reality. Such pressures would or will lead the country into an unsolvable conflict that may only result in a tragedy.

7. To preserve Ukraine in its objectively existing geopolitical situation as an independent yet functioning and prospering country requires both its politicians as well as the international partners to display a high degree of restraint and political mastery for a very long time. Unfortunately, we are witnessing just the opposite on all sides.

8. It is highly irresponsible for the West to feed the ambitions and illusions of the radicals from the West of Ukraine that there really exists a choice between the West and the East and that the EU and the U.S. are capable of supporting Ukraine as a whole in its convergence with the West as well as providing guarantees to it in the long run. Such a clear and solid interest and the willingness to sacrifice something to this interest is actually absent in the West. The West has helped to ignite a crisis that it doesn't really long for and whose implications it is not willing to accept.

9. To offer the choice to Ukraine – the East or the West – means to break the country. That's unfortunately what is happening.

10. It also seems to be the case that a majority of the participants is beginning to realize this fact. A question is whether it is not already too late. An illusion is especially the idea that the problem may be solved by a new election.

Ex-president Prof Václav Klaus, ex-chancellor Jiří Weigl, February 21st, 2014

Update: an official translation to English was released on February 25th, 4 days after the original (and my translation above)


  1. I wonder if Europe and the US didn't add fuel to the fire on purpose to annoy Poutine as a punishment for his successful influence in Syria... ?

  2. I am sure that most of the fuel was added in order to harm Putin! I am much less certain that Putin has actually been harmed, and I am sure that it's a bad plan to use a nation like Ukraine for such purposes.

  3. I am amazed by the West interference with Ukraine, and Lybia, and Syria... Whatever the West touches becomes chaos of the worst type. We, the West, are bad news for any messy country in the world. I was appalled to hear our French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius saying he is going to Ukraine "to change their government", wtf?!

  4. The fact that some fought on the Nazi side (including some Jews!) is sad but I dare to say that it was because they were familiar with the unspeakable horrors of the Russian presence and they though it could't be worse. They were wrong but it shows how desperate the situation was. I really feel sorry for them and I'm not surprised some people are pissed with the Russian interference.

    So let them break the country why not? Let them choose where to live. There was so much hystery when your country broke up (of course it was under different circumstance) and now everybody is happy. Let them choose if they prefer the neototalitarian eastern regime or kind of socialist (but still much better if I had to choose) west.

    I don't think Russia in the last 20 years even approached iwhat is called democracy. You can't erase a century of an evil empire. That will take like two or three generations to die out and then maybe Russia will approach the standards of western civilization (if it is actually their goal ).

  5. Klaus and Weigl clearly didn't mention the comment about the fight on the Nazi side to asymmetrically criticize just one side. They obviously realize what Stalin etc. has been about, too.

    The point is that the tension between the two main groups of people in Ukraine is a proxy for the Second World War - the differences are very deep - and it is very unwise to pretend that this serious tension doesn't exist.

    This fact also affects the likely character of the dissolution of Ukraine. The Nazis and the USSR plus the West didn't agree peacefully on the post-war arrangement of Europe, have they? "Several" people have to die before the borders were drawn etc. In principle, the situation in Ukraine is analogous to Europe with borders challenged as in 1940.

    It's not just about the potential inner conflict in Ukraine that could erupt with such dissolution games - games unlikely to follow the example of the Velvet Divorce of Czechoslovakia. Another problem is that the "Western Ukraine" coming from such a split would probably be a seriously screwed country and the EU and the U.S. have neither the desire nor the free resources to pump the hundreds of billions of dollars to the country which is the minimum that the country would need to stay at the same level as today. I suppose that Russia wouldn't be willing to reward the "treacherous" Western Ukraine with tons of money.

    The industry is largely in the Eastern part of Ukraine. The Western Ukraine is the place from which the Gastarbeiters are fleeing to more Western countries of Europe, and so on.

  6. Their suits are reasonably tailored, contradicting the Soviet model. Their cuffs are poorly wrought and one neckline is way off the mark. Necktie knots ignore arXiv:1401.8242 and

    The Merovingian or Ediety knot is best tied in chiral inversion. Prepare to knot your necktie. Turn it over to show the seam side. Tie a full Windsor knot. Loosen, pull over your head, flip invert, replace. Wear with a vest to hide the distal termination. Perhaps the Ukraine only lacks a politically neutral neckwear paradigm.

  7. Shannon,

    Our compulsive interventionism in the affairs of other sovereign nations
    and subverting governments will bear bitter fruit. These hostile acts
    are provocative and largely occur without the knowledge or permission of
    the American people. That means a senate committee or other government
    organization should bear responsibility for any repercussions. When
    the disaster occurs---and it will--- it should not be our young men and
    women who have to die in some unnecessary war on foreign soil for the
    acts of mindless bureaucrats. It should be the bureaucrats. You know,
    the ones who start conflicts but never serve in them.

  8. The EU "leaders" were unbelievably dumb to provoke Russia in the
    first place, when they are dependent on Russia for a good chunk of their
    energy supplies. And you know who are dumber than the EU leaders? It's the damn stupid
    protesters within Ukraine! (Some of them could be paid agitators, don't
    know). They may have bad memories about Russia's behavior and wishful
    thinking (more like fantasies) about what they would gain if they join
    the EU or get closer to them.

    What the protesters do not seem to be doing is to ask the simple
    question: what can the EU offer in return, and how would that compare
    with what they get by aligning with Russia? Who needs who more? Does the
    EU need the Ukraine more, or is it the other way around, considering
    real, material benefits, not imaginary ones? Elementary questions that
    do not get asked!

    Given the kind of history and the bad memories, I can understand why
    some of them would want to ditch Russia. But then, it would be FAR
    BETTER to stake out an independent position and work towards an
    independent future, instead of choosing the EU over Russia -- which does
    not make any logical sense at all!

  9. To compare Ukraine with Lybia and Syria needs a lot of cultural ignorance... The Ukrainians, I think, do not confuse democracy (like Arabs do) with just another dictator as the only alternative to Islam. The role of religion is far less dectructive (or even null) in Eastern Europe compared to the Middle East. In this aspect, they have much bigger chances to build something.

  10. Regarding your last two paragraphs, well, yes, you may be right and the probability is high. It can become another Belarus. But they deserve a chance even if it takes long time - emigration from the hated, oppressive regime should be the last option.

  11. Dear Volga, I observed that this debate is nearly isomorphic to the debates about "women in physical sciences" and similar things. You may say that women deserve a chance to have 50% of top physicists and Ukrainians deserve a chance to be as rich as the Dutch next year.

    But you are not the person who is deciding whether this chance exists and how high it is. Yanukovitch and Putin don't decide it, either. The chances are given predominantly by millions of geopolitical, genetic, biological, physiological, and historical facts that can't be changed or - to say the least - can't be changed quickly.

    By supporting some particular radicals in Ukraine, you are not materially increasing anyone's chances to become a Western nation much like by the politically correct babbling about women's equality and by harassment of those who understand some biology and reality, one is not changing the fact that women are far less likely to be top mathematicians or physicists than men.

    Nevertheless, the uninformed support of some radicals or some policies has consequences. And interventions based on misguided assumptions usually (and in many cases predictably) have undesirable consequences.

  12. Wise words, just as one would expect from Prof. Klaus and one of his trusted associates. I don't know one-tenth of what they know about Ukraine and maybe not even one percent but I still feel they could have leveled a bit more criticism at Yanukovich and at the Russian government. It is my impression from various news reports that most of the opposition to the government consists not of extreme nationalists/fascists but of ordinary Ukrainians angry at the recent legislation that unduly curtailed their civil rights and expanded the powers of the executive at the expense of parliament and the parliamentary opposition. In such a situation, push-back was inevitable and justified. Unfortunately the protesters were not content with the substantial concessions the government made and continued pushing for Yanukovich's resignation; they went too far. But Russia may be partly to blame for pushing Yanukovich towards the confrontation.

    If one criticizes the EU and the U.S. for meddling in Ukrainian affairs, one should extend criticism also to Russia. The best outcome would be for Ukrainians to work out their differences amongst themselves while remaining a single country. Next best, splitting the country in half according to a negotiated settlement (but obviously, it would be much more difficult than the "Velvet Divorce"). Worst is civil war.

    I have always hoped to visit one day the city of Ludsk, where my grandfather was born. Here's hoping it remains standing through the next several years.

  13. That's why I said that the probability is high. So to use your example, I would also say, let give women and men the same chances so that in the end 99% of physicists and mathematicians will be men as Nature dictates (so to speak). Was E. Noether suppose to be disqualified right from the beginning? Hardly so. Should there be a fortiori 50/50 ratio of sexes in natural sciences just because it must be equal? Certainly no.

  14. Physics assumes exact boson photon vacuum symmetries for hadrons (fermionic quarks). New patches are forever required: parity violations, symmetry breakings, chiral anomalies, Chern-Simons repair of Einstein-Hilbert action. "The next parameter will make SUSY work." No next parameter has been the last parameter.

    Macroscopically test for trace vacuum chiral anisotropy toward opposite chirality atomic mass distributions. They are visually and chemically identical, single crystal test masses in enantiomorphic space groups. They are opposite shoes fitting a vacuum left foot with trace different energies. They vacuum free fall along trace non-identical minimum action paths, violating the Equivalence Principle. The worst that last parameter can do is succeed, removing all the patches.

  15. Dear Volga, at some point, Emmy Noether had the same chances, to say the least, at least once David Hilbert became her protector.

    Should she have been treated with the expectations based on the observation that she was a girl before she turned out to be a damn good mathematician? My answer is Yes.

    At any rate, Ukraine isn't Emmy Noether of economics (and other things). Ukraine is a typical girl with D's in mathematics, one of the numerically dominant girls who are almost definitely not Emmy Noether. That's why your "analogy" is pure demagogy.

  16. First I am not comparing Ukraine with Lybia and Syria, I am pointing at how the West is interfering with other countries who are sovereign/independent. Ukraine might have a bigger chance to build something interesting and sustainable only if the West leave them alone to decide. I'm wondering who benefits from these localized chaos? And then I wonder is it a "conspiracy theory" type of question? Or are our Western politicians just complete dumbasses who should be thrown naked with a funnel on their head in the middle of the revolution? I like this last idea I must say ;-)

  17. It seems that propaganda is root to some wars like this one in Guatemala in 1954:

  18. Syrian President Assad's rule is supported by Russia and China. How exactly did "the West" interfere there? What did Russia and China do to stop the bloodshed there?

  19. You may have missed it but Russia engineered the schedule to eliminate the Syrian chemical weapons.'s_chemical_weapons

  20. You could add many other countries to your list, Shannon; Vietnam and Iraq certainly do come to mind.

    Try to imagine what would have happened if the West had seriously tried to assist the protestors at Tienanmen Square!

  21. Hitler and Joseph Goebbels were right, of course.
    Fortunately, we don’t have a Propaganda Minister but all of our many unwise interventions have been the result of a similar phenomenon. I do exclude WWII and the first gulf war, of course, but the Spanish American War, the war in Vietnam, the 1953 intervention in Iran and many other interventions had negative repercussions, didn’t they?
    I do think we are now doing better but the anti-Putin propaganda is seriously unwise.

  22. Well let me stress it out for you: The West, and France in particular, provided weapons to the djihadist rebellion in Libya and Syria. That is when interference appears. Is that enough for you?
    FYI in Mali French soldiers found their own French weapons in the hands of AQMI djihadists that had been given -completely free of charge and no return-to the rebels to fight kadhafi's regime.

  23. CONNECT the dots, Shannon. The Saudi's desire to get America to bomb the Syrian regime is so that they can challenge the Russian's natural gas monopoly in Europe, but only if they can get their pipes up to Europe through pesky Assad's Syria. So the bombings are an attempt to weaken Putin, and by association, Syria. This ain't about Islam, except to the poor rubes who blow themselves up. It's about something far more nefarious than religion. It's about money and power.

    Just connect the dots, and truth will emerge.

  24. Cut through all the smoke and mirrors, Shannon. This conflict in
    Ukraine smells distinctly like the one in Syria, thus the
    great game must go on. The US/EU crony capitalist overlords never cease
    in their attempts to encircle Russia and China and keep alive the flames
    of continuous warfare elsewhere around the globe. Never mind about all the
    economic misery here at home in the US and Europe. It is totally
    irrelevant to them.

  25. While I have no doubts Ukrainians have legitimate concerns, I also
    have no doubt Western powers are funding and aiding these protests.

    This remains the same as it has been for several hundred years and
    summarized in the words of Ms. Albright when she suggested when
    referencing Russia that "No country deserves all those resources."

    Ms. Albright obviously did not include the US in those countries as the US is "exceptional."

    They WANT to dismember Russia.

    Few people are aware of it, but during the Civil War, both Britain and
    France were making plans to attack the US in support of the
    Confederacy. They wanted to dismember the US before it became a threat
    to their own Imperial power.

    The Russian Fleet visited the US, and Russia made it clear if those
    two nations made war on the US, it would mean war with Russia.

    Western Europe has always lusted after the resources of the East.
    Imperialism has changed its form but remains as ascendant as ever.

  26. Webster Tarpley did a good talk about the Russian Fleet visit and its implications for American/Russian friendship, entitled
    "Russia's Participation in the US Civil War" that can be viewed on the C-Span 3:

  27. You must have problems with understanding a written text today. None of the things you deduce was implied - quite the contrary.

    Actually one thing is correct - there is virtually nothing positive on Putin's Russia and the fact that you don't see it point at your endless naivete. You should probably spend some time there and try to live a decent life, freely expressing your opinions in a thug-run country. Unless agreeing with the official line (which I guess suits you) you would soon get intimidated or beaten.

  28. Before I was for a dissolution, but I have to agree with you now. Western Ukraine can become another Moldova. Moldova used to be 100% dependent on Moscow, they had huge troubles after the fall of the USSR so they decided to ditch Moscow and go their own way - to the west. But the whole economy was Russia oriented, also the Russians are the only ones who have some interest in this region. Russians turned away from them and the rest of the world doesn't even know the country exists. Small part of the country that used to be heavily industrialized (Transnistria) and is still very Russia oriented (Russian speaking population) desperately wants to separate from rest of Moldova (Romanian speaking population).

    Now they're by far the poorest country in Europe. Everyone who is half competent left the country (40% of their GDP is remittance). It will take them forever to recover.

    Documentary about Moldova:

  29. This was supposed to be a reply to Luboš.

  30. "Orbifolds by R-parity could be neat, too"

    Duh, just today when (trying to ;-P) read some texts about theories with orbifolds, it suddently made me think about R-parity (I even made a note at the rim to look it up), LOL :-D

    Of course can I not help reading this text and see what I can learn ...

  31. I have just viewed the entire talk by Tarpley and would urge anyone interested in American-Russian relations to do the same.

    It may well be that, without Russia’s actions during our civil war, we might not exist as the United States today. England was kept out of it but, just barely.
    Thanks for the link, Cynthia.

  32. Hey I read it. Proof read or not!

    What would happen if we assumed physic is naturally unnatural and just drop Susy and axions and inflation.

    Mice to hear or some has alternatives orbofolds

    Why not send those black hole guys into one. Just go to mars and don't stop. Load up with some entangled mesons for comms.

  33. There is a previous example, 1975, in tiny Cyprus, where Turkey played the role of Russia and Greece the role of the EU. Two nationalities on the island. After so many years and failed talks it seems to me federation is the way out, something you have not envisaged in your list. Like Belgium, Switzerland even the UK ( though Scotland still harps for independence).

  34. You must be a blinded brainwashed bigot to say things like "there is nothing positive about Putin's Russia today". Virtually everything is better than it was 30 or 50 years ago. Relatively many things are much more positive and healthier than in most Western countries, too.

  35. @Lubos , my answer is on the male female business and 50% . I think the burden is on the parents and education up to the age of 12 or maybe 8. Not to give children 50/50 quotas but to be sure that they are not biasing against the talents of the child, to discover the talents of the child and encourage them not saying : girls should be interested in this, and boys in that.

    I remember a 3 year old girl cousin of my kids who made a bee line to lego and mecano and car toys of my son, being steered actively away towards the dolls and doll houses of my daughter. I tried to interest by daughter since a baby into lego and mecano and she had absolutely no interest, preferring dolls and doll houses.

    My sample is small but my conclusion is that the parents are crucial in the direction the girl's brain works . I have a list of women mathematicians in ancient Greece , and you can see there how important fathers were. In my case also, my father was an open minded intellectual person and took pride in my displaying an inclination towards science, encouraging rather than discouraging.

  36. Disqus changed its system again, now you can't see the number of downvotes anymore :(

  37. the parents are crucial in the direction the girl's brain works

    But in the paragraph just before that, you gave us two anecdotes where the parents failed to make a difference?

    However, I agree with this:

    be sure that they are not biasing against the talents of the child, to
    discover the talents of the child and encourage them [instead of] saying : girls
    should be interested in this, and boys in that.

    Our host is wrong, I think, about girls being "typical D students" in math. In my high-school class, the best math student was a boy (but he was far below genius), then in the top half in math 7or 8 out of 12 were girls. In the bottom half, throwing spitballs and goofing off, were mostly boys.

    In that region on the far right side of the Bell curve where it tapers off to become nearly asymptotically flat, a.k.a. Lubošland, it is true that females are few and far between.

  38. "Shannon


    13 hours ago

    First I am not comparing Ukraine with Lybia and Syria, I am pointing
    at how the West is interfering with other countries who are

    So - now being sovereign/independent gives the dictators of the countries carte blanche to commit mass-murder?
    By your thinking, Stalin had every right to kill millions of his own people; Hitler, to commit the Holocaust; etc.

    Sovereignity/independence do NOT extend to protecting mass murdering sociopaths.

    As for L Motl's main post about Ukraine - he defines what he thinks Ukraine is and concludes that, in his Ukraine, only 'radicals' would wrongly rise up in the streets.

    Well - he has no say in defining what Ukraine is; the ukrainian people do. And they are in the streets, fighting for what they believe in.
    Note how very few ukrainians are taking the president's side; which would be curious, if only 'radicals' held a pro-EU/anti-Russia view.

  39. Dear Eugene, I didn't write that "girls" were typical D math students. I wrote that Ukraine was analogous to typical (female or otherwise) students with a D.

  40. O.k., sorry for misquoting you. I should have checked to make sure :(

  41. Eugene, in the case of the little cousin it made a difference. She might have become an engineer instead of a secretary.

    In the case of my daughter it did not, because she did not have such an inclination. I guess I should have added that it is easy to discourage a natural talent and very hard to nurture an unnatural one.

  42. The Lashkari and Simon paper is good in that it is starting to solidify some of the ideas that have been floating around. It firms up the ties to complexity in information theory.

    The string discussion on the twisted SUSY breaking is very nice. One common them I see emerging in all these discussion are something I can only understand as "trace thresholds" e.g. certain critical energies which force a trace operation. The twisting can be interpreted as a partial trace operation. These sorts of "global" traces and twists would have to happen very early in universe in order to be plausible, before inflation, most likely during the GUT epoch.

    This sort of einselection reinforces the "discrete" nature of trace operations. Its tempting to think in terms of "coherent" trace operations that occur while all points are still causally connected. Good reads.

  43. Edit XYZ, so you want Europe and the US to send their army in Ukraine, right ?

  44. I'd like to add that Moldova's economy collapsed when Russia stopped supplying them with cheap energy. Now they owe half their GDP to Gazprom. Ukraine had disputes with Russia over gas prices in the recent past so I'm pretty sure the pro-Western Ukraine would get murdered after a dissolution.

  45. Dear Lubos, you write "9. To offer the choice to Ukraine – the East or the West – means to break the country. That's unfortunately what is happening." Why unfortunate? From everything else you say that would seem to be the most natural, if not the only, possible solution. If so, wouldn't the most civilized response of the EU and US be to mediate a peaceful divorce of the two halves of the Ukraine? If not, why not?

  46. Dear Luke, I don't know whether I could have made the fact more obvious than I did - by saying it at 3 places - but it is not my text. The text, including the point 9 you comment on, was written down by Czech ex-president Klaus and his aide Weigl.

  47. I don't intend to spend over an hour watching a video by "a former high-ranking member of Lyndon LaRouche's U.S. Labor Party."[Wikipedia] These people tend to use unverified and unverifiable "facts". You are entitled to your "no doubts", but you may also be wrong - I don't know, insufficient data. I find Mr. Klaus's first point about "an artificially created entity" quite remarkable, given that he is an ex-president of a similar entity.

  48. I second that compliment to Webster Tarpley. Whatever his illusions about Lyndon Larouche this piece of scholarship stands on its own, and it is all news to me. One question though: who was behind the assassination of Czar Nicholas, who liberated the serfs? That would be fascinating to know.

  49. Thanks for your reply and please pardon my denseness; at least it provoked an interesting further clarification (repitition) of the points you are making. I'll post a link to this discussion over on Walter Russell Mead's blog. Thanks again!

  50. I must admit I am shocked by the greediness of the radicals on Maidan square. It's like the tail wagging the dog. These people need a beatdown, if not from the regular riot police then from the combined forces of the reasonable opposition.

    One thing that has been getting short shrift in the media is the position of Poland's government. The Poles have the longest EU border with Ukraine, parts of the Ukraine used to be Polish, their histories are intertwined, they know the Ukrainians best of all EU member states, and they have the most to lose (or to gain) depending on how the situation breaks.

    Maybe some TRF readers from Poland can chime in with their perspectives.

  51. David likes to talk about the state of confusion because he's used to - and he has contributed to - situations where the definition of the theory is completely known and straightforward (QCD Lagrangian) so all unknown questions are purely mathematical with no bonus uncertainty.

    Relatively to the clear definition of QCD, everything about quantum gravity and even (the more specific) string theory is in a state of confusion.

  52. Pure quarkless QCD you mean?

  53. Well,I would mean even quarkful QCD but quarkless QCD is what David presents as the ultimate prototype of understanding. Fully defined, having no adjustable continuous dimensionless parameters etc.

  54. I wouldn't call it
    the perfect field theory though as he did though.

    I reserve this characterization for
    the true perfect field theory namely the 6d (2, 0) SCFT: pure Quantum
    mechanical with no classical limit, always strongly coupled with no adjustable
    parameters with the highest supersymmetry in the highest dimensions and mother
    of N=4 SYM among others:-)

  55. There is a difference between an arrest and a beatdown. From Urban Dictionary: Beat down - The act of receiving a serious butt whoopin at the hands of a person or group of persons. Judge Lynch is not a symbol of democracy.

  56. The WWII parallels are even more troubling when one considers Yanukovich's choice of Kharkov as his rallying point.

  57. I said last month here on TRF that having extracted important concessions, the protesters should pack up and start preparing for the 2015 elections. Unfortunately they did not listen to me...

    I do not know the exact mix of the people now scoffing at the agreements negotiated yesterday between the Yanukovich government, opposition representatives, and EU foreign ministers. Are they mostly Nazis from the Swoboda party, are they mostly ordinary folks drunk on victory and inexperienced in the art of political compromise? It really doesn't matter all that much. They won't let themselves be arrested without a fight. So the beatdown is necessary. Disarm them, clear the square, and especially remove them from all parliament and government buildings. I would dispense with arrests afterward, just bus them to their hometowns and in the meantime restore order in Kiev. Klitschko and the other guy whose name I keep forgetting (Yatseniuk?) are going to have to do this sooner or later, might as well do it now.

  58. I am shocked to see the enlightened Lubos Motl characterise the protesters ,who were murdered in the Maidan by rooftop snipers, as criminal; and to charcterize the ex president , who was fleeing in the night to Russian protection, as the "Legitiment " leader of the Ukraine

    --- Abquo

  59. And for yet another perspective, read Timothy Snyder in the New York Review of Books.... interesting stuff on "Eurasianism". Geez this is messy. Glad I'm not one of the politicians having to deal with it.

  60. A new resolution is being sent to UA parliament at behest of 'Right Sector' to authorize the companies of 'self defense groups' police authority...this will be the new security apparatus in UA. Given the associations of this group, this does not bode well.olice/army force to restore the order

  61. I, too, have learned “so much” from Lubos here. We in the US are not getting unbiased reporting regarding the Ukraine. Let’s hope that all the disinformation in the West does not result in another catastrophe for the Ukraine. God knows they have had enough of them.

  62. Eugene, thank you - a good article, worth reading. Fortunately you don't have to deal with this mess; get more data before recommending a course of action.

  63. The protests, especially their violent portion, has been organized by Svoboda, a parliamentary fascist party, and especially the Right Sector led by Dmitry Yarosh, a hardcore Nazi anti-Semitic Russia-hating skinhead-style leader of the bottom of the fanship of Dynamo Kiev (soccer club).

    These people undeniably *are* criminals much like Yanukovitch was a 100% legitimate leader of Ukraine, and if he made a mistake in the recent months, it's the fact that he was way too mild towards the fascist criminal elements.

    Now it's too late.

    It's unfortunate that millions of superficial people like you are being brainwashed and indoctrinated in a black-and-white, and mostly upside-down, description of the situation, but it is unforgiveable that you remain in the same state of delusion *after* the truth is pointed out to you.

  64. Now that Yanukovych has fallen, Ukrainians have had a chance to visit his private residence in Mezhihiria, 15 kilometers outside Kiev.,1,1089178.html#bigImage

    Remember, that during Yanukovich’s entire career his salary has at no point exceeded 2000 dollars per month. However, during his presidency his son Oleksandr became the richest man in Ukraine, with a fortune valued at many billions of dollars. Yanukovych’s own fortune is unknown, but each individual chandelier at Mezhihiria costs about 100,000 dollars. Besides golf courses, a private forest where deer and boar have been hunted, there is also a collection of valuable paintings, a genuine 17-th century galeon (warship), numerous expensive modern cars as well as a collection of classic cars, ancient Greek statues (nobody knows at this time how authentic), and lots of other such things.

    Still, all this is still not much compared with

    If you scroll to the bottom you can see some nice watches ;-)

  65. Dear Lucretius, Rinat Akhmetov, the wealthiest Ukranian,

    is known to be Yanukovitch sponsor. He's also the owner of Shakhtar Donetsk, the soccer club my hometown played against on Thursday.

    I am convinced that these gifts were totally legal and the question is whether we like them morally. I have nothing against it because the setup sketched by Akhmetov works. Things like Shakhtar Donetsk - a top team with lots of international players and Western-style management- is how Ukraine should work.

    I am much more scared by the "opposition". Klitschko is tolerable even though he is spiritually a German. The "Svoboda" party is a fascist one and the Right Sector is a hardcore Nazi ones - I think that the leaders of these two groups should normally spend most of their lives in prison. Finally, Yatsenyuk who became the leader of Tymoshenko's party during her arrest is the favorite one by some U.S. officials and probably a personal puppet of George Soros. As you may guess, I despise that, and it doesn't get any better if one notices that Yatsenyuk is (along with his family) a prominent scientologist.

  66. And I would add that Skoda Pilsen, beyond Austria Hungary, was also the main Protektorat Böhmen und Mähren supplier of sophisticated weapon systems to the Wehrmacht.
    For instance when the Wehrmacht started the attack against the combined military superpowers France and UK on 10.5.1940, the Germans were engaging 2 400 tanks against 3 400 on the French&UK side.
    However when one substracts the 1700 Panzer I (hardly better than an armoured car) and Panzer II (paper thin with only a 20 mm gun), it leaves about 700 main battle tanks suitable for armor versus armor battles.
    Out of these 700 tanks that will decisively contribute to the total destruction of the combined French&UK forces in only 2 weeks, 400 , so more than a half, were the so called Panzerkampfwagen 35 (t) and Panzerkampfwagen 38 (t).
    The (t) doesn't mean tons as one would expect but Tschechoslowakei and the number is the year of production.
    And indeed, they have been all produced in Pilsen and happily taken over by the Wehrmacht after the Munich pact where the above mentionned France&UK gave Czechoslovakia to Germany.
    There is a fitting irony to observe that without these 400 Pilsen produced main battle tanks, the Wehrmacht could never have attacked and destroyed France&UK forces in May 1940.
    The 7th Panzerdivision can be seen here in France ( ).
    It has been commanded by the famous Erwin Rommel, destroyed the UK armored forces at Arras and as the picture shows it has been equipped mainly by the Czech 35 (t) and 38 (t).
    Some Germans might have said many things about the "slawische Untermenschen" but where things that matter are concerned, they were quite able to recognize that these "Untermenschen" were actually producing equipment that was better than the racially pure aryan tanks :)
    So as Lubos rightly said, the history of Skoda has always been a one of sophisticated and modern mechanical equipment and not one of cars.

  67. Very interesting post. I think that one issue is that it's not understood how to find stable vacua without susy

  68. I remember reading that when the Germans invaded Bohemia and Moravia, securing the Skoda factory and Plzen breweries intact was a top priority...

  69. Dear:Luboš Motl

    I have two problems to consult with you.

    In AdS/CFT correspondence, e.g. D=d+1=3+1 , consider a massive scalar field coupling with AdS-Schwarzchild black hole, we learnt from Witten and other physicists, such as the work by Breitenlohner and Freedman in 1982, that if the mass square $m^2$ of the scalar field under B-F bound, the black hole in bulk will be hairy and there are two possible conformal theories on AdS boundary (z=0), with conformal dimension $\triangle_-$ and $\triangle_+$, respectively, as a result, the asymptotic behavior of the massive scalar theory $\Phi$ is:

    \[\Phi = a z^{\triangle_-} + b z^{\triangle_+} +... \]

    here the two indices $\triangle_-;\triangle_+$ are the two root of the indicial equation of EoM of $\Phi$.

    Owing to the general Frobenius method in differential equation, when the difference of $\triangle_+ - \triangle_-$ is integer, there should be an asymptotic solution of $Phi$ with logarithmic term which is absent in the form above I show,

    here is my question:

    1. Is the reason of absence of such logarithmic term is eliminated by holographic renormalization procedure?

    2. Therefore, when $\triangle_- -\triangle_+$ = integer, writing down the asymptotic behavior of $\Phi$ above, the two linearly-independent solutions from EoM of $\Phi$ are taken into account except the divergent part, which the first term: $a\ z^\triangle_-$ belongs to one solution, $b\ z^\triangle_+$ to the other. is this correct?

    Thank you for your time. I am expecting your guide.

    Best Regards


  70. Dear:Luboš Motl

    I have two problem to consult you.

    In AdS/CFT correspondence, e.g. D=d+1=3+1 , consider a massive scalar field coupling with AdS-Schwarzchild black hole, we learn from Witten and other physicists, such as the work by Breitenlohner and Freedman in 1982, that if the mass square $m^2$ of the scalar field under B-F bound, the black hole in bulk will be hairy and there are two possible conformal theories on AdS boundary (z=0), with conformal dimension $\triangle_-$ and $\triangle_+$, respectively, as a result, the asymptotic behavior of the massive scalar theory $\Phi$ is:

    \[\Phi = a z^{\triangle_-} + b z^{\triangle_+} +... \]

    here the two indices $\triangle_-;\triangle_+$ are the two root of the indicial equation of EoM of $\Phi$.

    Owing to the general Frobenius method in differential equation, when the difference of $\triangle_+ - \triangle_-$ is integer, there should be an asymptotic solution of $Phi$ with logarithmic term which is absent in the form above I show,

    here is my question:

    1. Is the reason of absence of such logarithmic term is eliminated by holographic renormalization procedure?

    2. Therefore, when $\triangle_- -\triangle_+$ = integer, writing down the asymptotic behavior of $\Phi$ above, the two linearly-independent solutions from EoM of $\Phi$ are taken into account except the divergent part, which the first term: $a\ z^\triangle_-$ belongs to one solution, $b\ z^\triangle_+$ to the other. is this correct?

    Thank you for your time. I am expecting your guide.

    Best Regards


  71. Alejandro RiveroMar 1, 2014, 1:37:00 AM

    I still think that the best trick is to think the whole missing sector as some sort of composite. Or perhaps you can do some magic with the string scale only for that sector, making it look as a whole sector of pions.