## Sunday, March 08, 2015 ... /////

### Berlin alarmed by U.S. general's distortions, warmongering

Last September, the Minsk v1.0 ceasefire was a partial success. It decreased the intensity of fighting along the Ukrainian-Novorussian frontline. But what was left was still a nontrivial amount of war which gradually rose and the situation returned where it was before. But you can still see that many lives were saved by the deescalation negotiated in Minsk.

So far, the Minsk v2.0 accords seem to be even more successful. Novorussia claims that it has already removed all the relevant military vehicles from the frontline and Kiev is close to that outcome, too. There's almost no shooting in Eastern Ukraine. Nevertheless, four days ago, Mr Philip Breedlove, a pilot who is now employed as the chieftain of NATO forces for European operations, said

What is clear is that right now, it is not getting better. It is getting worse every day. Putin had once again upped the ante in eastern Ukraine – with well over a thousand combat vehicles, Russian combat forces, some of their most sophisticated air defense, battalions of artillery having been sent to the Donbass.
These are so obviously untrue statements that folks around the German chancellor simply had to be shocked by. See
Breedlove's Bellicosity: Berlin Alarmed by Aggressive NATO Stance on Ukraine
for the story in dem Spiegel (English).

Mr Philip Breedlove is a pilot who became a green brain apparatchik. For his being spanked and humiliated by a few savages in Afghanistan – despite $1 trillion in payments to him and his colleagues – he was promoted to Brigadier General (2003), Major General (2006), Lieutenant General (2008), and General (2011). Most readers probably don't know these ranks – an important rule-of-thumb is that the general without adjectives is higher than a general with adjectives. It's just like the assistant professor, associate professor, and professor. ;-) Mr Breedlove seems to be openly undermining Angela Merkel's and pals' peace efforts – that are very promising. It is not hard to see why an aßhole such as Mr Breedlove has the motivation to do such things. Any escalation of any conflict is good for him. He is bound to be promoted – whether he wins the conflict or loses. But there are people whose interests and opinions should be more important than the career of a U.S. general when it comes to conflicts in Europe. What about the Europeans? Even the people in Ukraine – on both sides of the civil war – are starting to see that the war is mostly pointless, what they win may be limited at the end, and a negotiation may be a less hurtful way to establish a similar future. Mr Breedlove is quoted as the main warmonger – the likely originator of the tons of bogus "reports" about a Russian invasion that we have heard about 10 times in the recent year. And his female counterpart is Ms Victoria Nuland – who is employed as the U.S. State Department's boss for European affairs. We may say that she is the protector – the counterpart of Reinhard Heydrich. Spiegel highlights this nasty bitch as an entertaining, undiplomatic woman. She is most famous for her comments in the leaked telephone call about the detailed plans to construct a new post-coup government (she preferred a particular nut named Yatsenyuk, guess who became the prime minister), "F@ck the EU". You know, I am not proud or happy about the European military weakness and I do think that the military strength matters and often decides. But it is not always the case and I just prefer the business-as-usual setup in which peaceful considerations and mutual benefits decide about the arrangement of things. I think that the efforts to actively escalate conflicts, e.g. by exaggerated or downright untrue claims about the "enemy", are deeply immoral. And when I am looking at conflicts of third parties – and be sure that for Czechia, both the civil war in Ukraine and the emerging new U.S.-Russia cold war is an external conflict – I tend to choose the side deserving my support according to their honesty and compatibility with the peaceful co-existence, too. What Mr Breedlove is doing is simply unacceptable. I think it's terrible that a guy who doesn't hesitate to spit all these lies – whose only outcome may be growing tensions and the increasing probability of a major conflict – is the boss of the world's most powerful military organization for the affairs on the continent where I live. Mr Breedlove is a dangerous dishonest jerk who should be removed. And yes, I get scared when I realize how worshiped similar green brains often are in the U.S. As recently as a decade ago, I wouldn't have believed that I was going to write similar things 10 years later. Of course that I have felt much closer to America than to Western Europe, emotionally speaking. But those days are clearly over. The clear desire of aßholes such as Mr Breedlove and Ms Nuland to scr@w matters on my continent, our peace, our safety, and our economy is simply damn too serious a thing. I believe that in the past, America was helping Europe to reduce the violence, remove the bullies who got powerful from the power, and increase the truthfulness of what is being said across the continent. If the contemporary powerful Americans are doing the opposite, it's just extremely bad. Incompetent or deliberately destructive U.S. foreign policy of recent years has crippled (or seriously helped to cripple) countries such as Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, and many others, and even a small risk that men like Mr Breedlove want to offer a similar "cure" to a Central European country is something I am not willing to tolerate. For these reasons and because of these threats, I think that even the idea to reorganize the European's military or security affairs shouldn't be out of the discussion. What I mean is to expel the U.S. from NATO and accept Russia and a few others as members. One may say that after the Second World War, Europe didn't try to build its assertive military force because of the bad experience – the powerful armies of Europe had done more harm than good in the previous years and decades. Moreover, America represented "exactly what we wanted" so for the Europeans to (parasitically) depend on the American "services" was a convenient choice (and the Americans gained the influence and the feeling of importance). In some sense, it would be natural for Europe to realize that it shouldn't depend on someone else (and to do something about it) when it turns out that its key ally so far, the U.S., isn't doing what we need. In other words, the ideological divergence of the U.S. and Europe may be a necessary condition for European nations to think about their own military abilities to defend themselves or to make a point. Also, in coming weeks, the first European sanctions against Russia may expire if they're not renewed. I sincerely hope that they will expire and no new sanctions will be imposed. They are insane, morally and economically unjustifiable, and generally harmful both for Russia and for Europe. Certain U.S. apparatchiks don't seem to care about these adjectives – the sanctions are good for themselves (and after all, even the whole U.S. economy largely6 benefits when others are being damaged in this way) – which is why these folks cannot be treated as friends. #### snail feedback (84) : reader cynholt said... No one worth their salt wants to be part of the broken and blackmailed political state of the US. Unfortunately, the rock bottom has not been hit for America. One day there may be a representative government for the American people, but that will not be any time soon. The first step is to un-Geobbel's the MSM and reinstate the walked-over Constitution. reader yanni said... "It was Nuland who masterminded the coup in Kiev. The wife of Robert D. Kagan, a leading “neo-con” luminary and co-founder of the extreme right wing Project for a New American Century, she was foreign policy advisor to Dick Cheney." Crazed Washington Drives the World to the Final War by Paul Craig Roberts. And now with the addition of Aston Carter, a long-time NEOCON as Sec of Defense, the US military establishment is top heavy with NEOCONs. reader marcusbond said... I agree with most of what you've written. Although they are all pretty much as bad as each other as far as I can see. In any case, the AngloAmericans will do all they can to prevent Russia increasing it's influence within Europe, and certainly limiting German/Russian cooperation. Russia plays the same canny geopolitical game as the USA/UK/France, and does it very well. Russia has successfully worked to prevent AngloAmerican energy pipelines entering Southern Europe for years, whilst it attempted to increase Europes reliance on Russian energy. That said, it's only the same geopolitical energy strategy the Anglo Americans have been using to control countries for years. reader BobSykes said... The American Revolutionaries, Children of the Enlightenment, got it right the first time with the Articles of Confederation. This produced a central government that was merely a coordinating commitee: real power and initiative lay with the States. Small groups of States often cut side deals with one another that excluded the feds. The President merely presided over meetings of Congress and managed the Navy and a very small professional Army. This was unacceptable to people like Hamilton who wanted a strong, Euro-style central government, and they managed to force through the Constitution. It adoption marks the death of republican government in the US. The current monstrosity is owned and operated by ignorant, violent, delusional fascists. McCain, Boehner, Clinton, Pelosi, Reid, Obama are exemplars of the class. They are actively working to establishing a totalitarian police state and a world empire, and they will succeed unless nuclear war intervenes. One begins to wonder whether that is so bad a thing. reader Shannon said... Here is another proof of the US/Israel warmongering in Iraq, helping Daesh: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150307/1019201301.html#ixzz3Tk5BBhK3 reader William said... Somewhat related. I came across this interview. It is a few months old, but still very relevant. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BdlXqyZHB9k After watching it, my respect for Putin increased tremendously. Such a reasonable and calm guy. All my prejudices went away. I really hope the situation is defused soon. The sanctions have to go and Europe should have the balls to say: "F*ck the US." reader cynholt said... ISIS did not come of nowhere just three years ago, Gordon. Those groups were receiving support from Saudi Arabia since 2007 with the explicit goal of driving a wedge into the so-called Shiite crescent and reducing Iranian influence in Syria and Lebanon. What changed three years ago is that they changed their name to recognize that their territory included both Iraq and Syria. This support occurred with the knowledge of the US and the very likely active participation of the CIA. Many of the fighters came from Libya once NATO helped them overthrow Gaddafi (that was the real scandal in Benghazi, not the nonsense raised by the Republicans). To be sure, this fiasco was set off by the Bush/Blair war against Iraq in 2003, but the current US/UK governments have continued escalating the conflict through Libya and Syria for the last three years. reader physicsnut said... for a bunch of supposed 'peaceloving' liberal types, you wonder what these clowns are really up to - who is really calling the shots, and why - the rhetoric is too thick and soupy for me to make much sense of what is driving things. reader Oleg said... "Breedhate" sums it up. reader Gordon said... lol- "Atheism leads to communism"..Lubos had better be wary then...so had 96% of Nobel prizewinning scientists. You Catholics are hilarious...almost as delusional as Scientologists. reader Gordon said... I agree with most of that, but not sure that I trust her. But I am not close to US politics, or, for that matter, politics of any sort. reader davideisenstadt said... we should have left you with the germans...you would be speaking german, Paris would be cleaner, and the french would be working harder. The world would have been a better place. The idea that our boys died to free your people is galling. reader Tony said... In these postmodern times it is entirely possible it is nothing rational, not even for conspiracy nuts. That is, pure sociopathic narcissism of the certain self-entitled political circles. reader Gene Day said... Obama should immediately fire Breedlove. Generals execute military policy and have no business meddling in politics and foreign affairs. Our President, for very good reason, has overall command of our armed forces and his authority to dismiss Breedlove is absolute. Unfortunately, it looks like he won’t do it. reader Gene Day said... I am no Israel apologist, David, but I’m with you on this one. I don’t think Shannon is at all representative of French thought; do you? Our ties to Israel are deep, just as they should be but Shannon is wearing blinders if she thinks the US and Israel are conspiring to commit evil together. reader Gene Day said... I humbly suggest, Shannon, that you be more discriminating in assessing what you read. reader Luboš Motl said... Dear Gene, is that actually in Obama's power to fire him if he's a NATO general? reader Alexander Ač said... Clearly, we are on the way to reach 50 billion of happy inhabitants in the couple of 100 years - with Jihadists to fall in love with Christians, and later with Budhists and all the other religions of the world... I see it! :-) Alex reader Shannon said... Dear Gene, I am. I know there is always a lot of propaganda during wars. However I also see that wherever the US army goes it is bad news for everyone. Don't you agree ? reader Tony said... My theory on Breedlove is nothing radical, on the contrary. Not only is he not meddling in politics and foreign affairs, he is a prefect postmodern employee, saying things that he thinks his employers want to hear. Nothing more, nothing less. That's what he sees as his primary job function, which could justify a promotion. And so far he's been right. As far as Nuland goes, the theory is quite radical, prompted by her statement that she loves Russia and supposedly speaks fluent Russian (which is doubtful, but let's entertain it as true) : she actually *does* love Russia. What she hates is America! Let me not list all the things that extreme right conservative may not like about the America today. So she wants to kill it all. She has no means to do it within the system which, after all, is functioning so to support all that she hates. Thus she is seeking an external agent. And the only agent that can kill Americans more effectively than any other agent in the world is either Russia or China. reader BMWA1 said... I am not sure while Donbas would even require the sophisticated systems mentioned by the general, as the UA AF have virtually no operational ground support aircraft, and was entirely absent from recent fighting in Prokofiev Airport and Debaltsevo, they have no SU-25 in those fights, just one sighting of a pair of SU 27's. UA Air-force cadets were sent to ground units instead of squadrons. Just one thing to note as to veracity or lack there-of. There is a systematic problems of separating equipment sent by RU and that captured on the battlefield. More than one hundred in the summer 2014 battles, and double that amount (about) recently from Profokiev to Debaltsevo. It is likely that there are both elements, but easy to exaggerate amount in this case. Just a critique about the particulars, but this does not give me much confidence in the Breedlove judgement. reader Uncle Al said... Obamunism is about intent not content. So dark the con of Obam. The Wicked Black Monkey (hey...North Korea being diplomatic) has carefully excluded content from his personnel, from his policy, and from his results. Nobody in the US is contented (aside from those who have leased his compliance). Why should all enemies foreign be elevated against all 300 million assigned traitors domestic? We invite Europe and Asia to join US citizens in telling Obama to "go screw yourself." reader Fernando Leanme said... These generals do angle for political appointments. This may simply be a Clark or Petraeous personality trying to set a future move. After NATO there's not much else for this guy to do. reader Fernando Leanme said... Obama is supreme comander. He can have the guy transferred in 24 hours. The political thing to do is to wait and promote him to be Chief of Staff Army. reader omeoide said... Indirectly, yes. It is not quite accurate to call him a "NATO general." He is a "General" of the US Air Force, a position which has made him eligible to serve certain additional roles, including that of SACEUR (Supreme Allied Commander, Europe) within the NATO hierarchy. The US President definitely has the authority to sack a USAF officer, though to save face for all involved, he'd be asked to resign. If Breedlove were to resign his commission in the USAF, he would no longer be eligible to serve as SACEUR and would also have to vacate that post. reader Gene Day said... Our President can dismiss any general just as Truman dismissed McArthur but he would need a reason. In McArthur’s case it was simple disobedience of orders. It would be very easy for Obama to either engineer Breedlove’s dismissal or ask for his resignation, which would amount to the same thing. I cannot imagine NATO keeping on a commander that had been dismissed by his country. It would not happen. reader omeoide said... BTW, in contrast, the current Deputy SACEUR is in the British Army, so Obama has no authority to fire him (but presumably could influence whoever does if he wanted). NATO's weird that way. reader Motl and Smolin said... Hey Lubos, there is an essay contest about math vs. physics at http://fqxi.org/community/forum/category/31424 including one by Smolin. On temporal naturalism I think you two agree, as opposed to, say, Brian Green. reader Gene Day said... Sometimes yes, sometimes no, Shannon but the big failing is that we have often sent our boys into a situation that did not have adequate political support at home to complete the job. A job half done leaves a real mess and there is no better example than our 2003 invasion of Iraq. Of course, Vietnam was far worse in human terms. We lost 53,000 young men but Vietnam lost at least 2 million dead, all for no reason at all. A lot of good things have happened in Afghanistan but the country may well unravel in the future. reader Gene Day said... We are in the process of deploying a squadron of operational A-10 Warthogs to Europe and this is a formidable ground support aircraft if there ever was one. One plane can, in less than a minute, destroy an entire tank column. This may seem threatening but using A-10s in Ukraine would be insane. It would force Russia to employ advanced missile technology (air to ground or ground to ground) in order to take the A-10s out. Ground support aircraft can be used only if you have control of the skies and this cannot happen near Russia’s border. reader Gene Day said... Your Breedlove theory is probably right. Damn! reader Swine flu said... "I think that even the idea to reorganize the European's military or security affairs shouldn't be out of the discussion." I said it on a number of occasions in the comments in this blog that this is the only way for Europe to have true control of its destiny. I am glad you are coming around to my viewpoint. "What I mean is to expel the U.S. from NATO and accept Russia and a few others as members." There are less dramatic ways to do it, but all of them involve scaling down the European welfare state(s) and ramping up military expenditures. You seem to be hoping that inviting Russia to join the European security framework will allow Western Europe to avoid having to build up its military forces. Good luck with that strategy - I suspect that if actually follow it, you will still find your destiny partly controlled, just from Moscow rather than from Washington. There is really no substitute for being properly armed if you want to be truly free. reader davideisenstadt said... I dont know Gene. Hundreds of thousands of dead young men from the States and I get to read her drivel...hardly a fair trade, thats all Im saying. As for the french peoples' legacy...look at algeria, vietnam, haiti, and of course, quebec,. Geez talk about effing up the world. reader Gordon said... Gene, he seldom does anything. He has the Hamlet syndrome. reader Gordon said... Let's all chip in and buy her a subscription to Haaretz :) reader Gordon said... Strangely, I agree with you. I guess a broken French watch is right twice a day. reader Gordon said... Well, French thought contains such poseurs as Jacques Derrida and Danny the Red (Daniel Cohn-Bendit, who manages to get himself into Le Monde and Paris Match on a regular basis --a Marxist a$\$h&le, defender of pedophilia, promoter of the Federalization of the EU, and a prototype narcissist.)
Great scientists and mathematicians, horrible philosophers and politicians...

Hey watch it, I'm Canadian and am reasonably fluent in French.
(but a few thousand miles from Quebec--well, I guess Quebecois joual is arguably a sort of bastard French dialect :)
Read my post to Gene---we should all chip in and buy Shannon a lifetime subscription to Haaretz , or better yet Maariv in Hebrew..:)

"S"he was foreign policy adviser to Dick Cheney." Hmmm, Beelzebub to Cheney's Lucifer...

Huh! It seems your great military minds might be trying to catch up with ours.

Dannatt, a real cunt if there ever was one, obsessed as he was with his FRES toys and fighting a completely different war across the plains of Europe to the one we were actually engaged in, had our lads negotiating IEDs in Pinzgauer Vectors, where the driver sits over the front fucking axle, and Snatch Land Rovers which provide as much protection as a wet paper bag. So they got nicely fucking blown up.

His sort presided over us getting rid of our mine protected vehicles long ago. It took years to finally get our troops the equipment they needed. But you won't catch that cunt, and others like him, bearing any responsibility, much less apologising to grieving families. He's doing all right though. Yeah.

So the Greeke are responsible for global warming? Is Iranian nuke on Israel it's plan for reversing it?

I don't think there are many people who would say that the difference between Greece and Turkey is less than the difference between Greece and Germany. Could you describe what you mean?

Lubos, the number of Nato or even Ukranian troops rampaging across the sacred soil of Holy Mother Russia is precisely zero.
Clearly war mongering is not what it used to be!

There is nothing strange here, Gordon. "I'm your father" :-)

Dear Gordon, Cohn-Bendit also speaks everyday on Europe1 radio at 8:55am "l'humeur de Danny", when he proves to those who still don't know, that he is a complete dickhead. But there again he belongs to the enlighted people so he is allowed to open his big mouth.

You might like other French philosophers like Bernard Henri-Levy (aka BHL) or Alain Finkielkraut. They are not philosophers, rather propagandists but they like to think of themselves as intellectuals. Their very low IQ is doing a lot of damage in our political class who is forced to listen to them... because they belong to the enlighted ones. I personally hope they will be hanged high and short very soon.
I personally like Michel Onfray (leftist) and Luc Ferry (rightist).

Gordon, you are dangerously approaching an unauthorized flight zone... which I blithely break too ;-).

Can't find any record of A 10's deployed in Ukraine itself. Are you sure you do not mean some neighboring country, if they are not in the theater, the yare not in the theater, wether three hours to Donetsk from Warsaw, six from London, or nine from Nairobi. I would put chances of such an actual deployment (and it would have to be with trained pilots, i.e., USAF) at something close to zero.

You've nailed it in one. Have another uptick.

You've nailed it in one. Have another uptick

You want to inundate me with Hollywoodian propaganda just like Netanyahu wants to do it with Iran (hear his last speech to the US congress) ? ;-)

Dear Gene, I take your answer as in full agreement with what I've said about the US army.

Obama does not have to fire any generals. Any officer who disagrees with him has likely left the service long ago, or been effectively purged.

The US destroying third world countries via incompetent or deliberately destructive foreign policy isn't anything new - we've been doing it since 1954.

"What is sorely needed is stability, stability, stability."

Finally, the ideology of the ruling class with an honest face. One can imagine both Chamberlain and Eisenhower saying it to Anthony Eden.

I might even go along with it if I were deluded that it was possible.

While arguing Citizens United, the government's lawyer told the Supreme Court that the government has the power to ban books critical of a candidate, so long as they were published by a candidate. I do not think this decision is totally indefensible from any logical Constitutional Law perspective?

Yes. ISIS is right now declaring that Christ will return to Earth.

Communism is a system, not a person, Gordon. To be credible as a scientist of course that you'd have to say you are atheist... it is only professional. I would do the same if I were a scientist. No brainer. However no one, not even you, can probe people's personal belief.

Actually you have it backwards, Obama's ancestors would have been the slaveowners and Netanyahu's the slaves.

There are many theories to the origins of Jews. One story is that they as a tribe entered Egypt, then somehow they were turned into slaves.

However, the one which I think is more likely is that the Egyptian Pharaohs, just like all powers in those days, they would raid nearby territories and the captured are turned into slaves. Such acts were the norm up to even recent times.

The people of the area are of the same origin or closely related, The Jews are nothing but those Arabs(mostly with some Africans) that were caught and turned into slaves. That is why their languages, and their classsical "looks" are almost the same.

So actually there is no such actual distinctive divide.

But I think today's so called Jews are a totally different highly diluted race with blue eyes and gorgeous western like blondes.

I didn’t say Ukraine, BMW. Putting them into Ukraine would be bizarre.
As in most such deployments it is done mainly for domestic consumption and not for any strategic benefit. They are supposed to “deter" Russia from expanding its territory into NATO countries.
Americans can be pretty stupid and there are some that will think this will help contain the "aggressive bear". It’s just puffery.
The A-10s do require very specialized training.

OK, he cannot literally fire them but he can remove them from their position and take away all their responsibility. Same thing.

That’s what I figured.

Send the US troops to free the hostages:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/09/travel/tourists-arrested-rome-colosseum/index.html

Breedlove isn't just a General without adjectives; he also appears to be one without privates.

Only Generals with privates make any sense.

Don't be silly MikeN. Most slaves ship owners belonged to Jews. Check for yourself:
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-genocide-black-holocaust-slave-ships.html

Obama is Bush Jr. with a thick veneer of neoliberal progressive intellectualism. His career was catapulted, by the true owners of this country, to give a layer of respectability to the aggressive foreign policy for the Europeans. As an extra side, his presumed ethno-religious background acted as a moderator for the post-Katerina colored community's rage.

Juncker heard you Swine flu ;-) http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/jean-claude-juncker-calls-for-eu-army-european-commission-miltary

The push-back is far too late. The gorgon Nuland and Dr Strangelove himself Zbig Breszinski testifying before the mouth breathers of the foreign affairs committee last week continued to ratchet up the rhetoric:

“I wonder how many people in this room or this very important senatorial committee really anticipated that one day Putin would land military personnel in Crimea and seize it. I think if anybody said that’s what he is going to do, he or she would be labeled as a warmonger. He did it. And he got away with it. I think he’s also drawing lessons from that. And I’ll tell you what my horror, night-dream, is: that one day, I literally mean one day, he just seizes Riga, and Talinn. Latvia and Estonia. It would literally take him one day. There is no way they could resist. And then we will say, how horrible, how shocking, how outrageous, but of course we can’t do anything about it. It’s happened. We aren’t going to assemble a fleet in the Baltic, and then engage in amphibious landings, and then storm ashore, like in Normandy, to take it back. We have to respond in some larger fashion perhaps, but then there will be voices that this will plunge us into a nuclear war."

I'll tell you what Brezinski's real horror night dream is - dying before the US attempts a full takeover of Russia. Whether Germany likes it or not, they'll continue to be a pawn in the dark lord's 11 dimensional chess game. It's a little late to be thinking twice now that the breadbasket of Europe is a basket case. The hope is that the whooping that's coming to the US shakes out the neocon kleptocracy that brought it about and sends them fleeing with nothing but the clothes on their backs.

there is no appetite in the Staes for any real military action against Russia, or on behalf of the coddled and spoiled EU. sorry...they're on their own.

LOL, in other words, it is "professional" for scientists to say they are atheists even if they aren't---ie to be lying pusillanimous hypocrites. Don't you think that scientists, particularly the upper echelon ones, are atheists or agnostics because that is their true belief based on all available evidence? That is what this blog is about, at least when discussing scientific things. You seem to have been too contaminated with Catholicism to know that you don't need to play pretend games and then go and confess to the Allfather's representative on earth, say some hail-Marys as penance and tithe some money, because "God loves you, and he NEEDS money."--George Carlin:

(BTW, my internet personality sometimes comes across like Dawkins with rabies---actually, like Lubos, in person I would never make rude remarks about your delusion, and am actually friendly, if somewhat antisocial :) )
And I likely am somewhat of a Deist, like Einstein, leaning towards atheism. Einstein's writings about nearly everything are wonderful, as are Bertrand Russell's and Chris Hitchens', though you would give me grief about the last two.

"Jewwatch"???Geez, scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren't we? What is next, a site called
"Mein Kampf daily"? You are getting pretty close to posting urls for hate-inducing sites,kid.
As for slavers, the Ottoman Turks and Arabs had a brisk business going in the 1600s grabbing Christians and selling them as slaves..."From the 16th to 19th century, corsairs captured an estimated 800,000 to 1.25 million people as slaves."

Wiki--These were muslim pirates.
But then, what are facts when faced with religious certainty ?

I know you are antisocial, Gordon, but in a cute snobbish, -though utterly irritating-, kind of way ;-). I guess that is your (virtual) charm.

Gordon, slavery was the usual norm in those days and it took many forms. In Islamic history some slaves had higher status than regular people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk

During the colonial era it become a mega industry to support and help make your country(america and Britain) prosperous. That is why the civil war broke out with fighting tooth and nail with over 600,000 dead. I just watched the movie the other day.

http://tdl.org/txlor-dspace/bitstream/handle/2249.3/663/05_slavery_colonies.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_medieval_Europe

BTW, above says the word slave came from the word Slave as in the ancestry of our host!

Gordon your folks kill 6.000,000 Jews and then you say the Muslims and Arabs are bad and they hate Jews. You participate in mass slavery and you point fingers. What a miserable logic, but don't worry that is just a human nature.

BTW, the movie showed the use of heavy weaponry, such that a soldier would throw severed arms and legs en bucket in a hole. And that is when Lincoln son finally disobeys his father and joins the army.

The northern states had many many congressmen who were against abolition, and some were bribed or pressured to sign. That came strait from the horse's mouth as Americans say.

it is establishedd fact that the slave trade in africa was managed by islamic people, who bought these unfortunate people, and sold them to europeans on the coast. even today slavery os practiced in the islamic world, and in fact you could edify us all by attempting to sitinguish between the arabic world for negro and that used for slave?
care to give it a shot?

Good to learn US history by WATCHING A MOVIE. geez. WWJD?
he would read an effing book.
really.

Don'ty get me started either... I actually know one of the authors, because we worked at the same institute a few years ago, and I can tell you he got my blood boiling a few times...

Elizabeth Warren is a psychopath.

http://forward.com/articles/199824/is-kushim-a-racist-israeli-term-for-blacks/

The university that I went to, American history and government was mandatory.

You are falling for propaganda. The "reluctant" Obama pushed by the hawks is a convenient picture build up by the Obama brigade. In each and every case, drone killings, Afghanistan surge, Libya, Syria, Ukraine the picture of the "reluctant" Obama was created and in each case Obama decided to go the hawks way. The buck stops at his desk. A 30 second call could get General Breedlove transferred, or even fired.

On economic stuff, Obama is no progressive, but a Wall Street man. On foreign policy stuff, Obama is no dove, but a right-wing hawk. The picture created by him, and of him, as progressive and dove is false. It's just a convenient legend build to make him look "left" while he is in reality, as proven after six years, a center right, neo-conned exceptionalist.

Hey Qsa:
why dontcha turn your scholarly eye to the case of jihadi john,who was born to a "stateless' couple who resided in Kuwait, part of a group of people denied civil rights and citizenship, while doing the jobs that kuwaitis wouldn't do for themselves.
and you cite movie for your knowledge of US history. Effing movies?
And just where did the slavs captured and sold into slavery end up in the 9th century...belgium? norway?
who bought them and castrated them?
Who bought slavic women and used them as sex slaves?
The swiss?
Why is it that the arabic word for black person is the same as that for slave?
\Why do islamic countries persist in engaging in the practice of keeping slaves today?
The world waits.